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Video of 812GTS theft

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  1. belfry

    belfry Formula Junior

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    Scary how quickly this was done.

     
  2. belfry

    belfry Formula Junior

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    It looked like the alarm sounding for a short while, which is something I suppose. How can we protect our cars from this?
     
  3. RKGT

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    This is crazy! My friend just had his Rolls Royce Phantom stolen and his Escalade in a 2-week period. In any case, I don't think anyone can prevent it. Yet, I ended up hiding an apple air tag in my 812 and therefore can track it. It won't ward off any thieves and it will inform them there is an apple air tag in the car. Hopefully when they see this, it will just make them pull the car over and leave it.
     
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  4. MidnightRun

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    A well hidden kill switch is probably the only way to thwart a theft like this.
     
  5. Sunshine1

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    That’s the way to go.

    But with all the modern technology, how can thieves can steal high-end cars so quickly?
     
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  6. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Put car thieves in prison until they are old men. At least in Texas when we catch them in the act we are allowed to shoot them. Thats a good deterrent too.

    Crime cannot and will not stop or even go down to a dull roar until we are serious about it. We can, we just need to be willing.
     
  7. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    For every hi tech anti theft device there is a hi tech theft answer. Crooks are not all dumb. Spending all that money on intrusive and often unreliable anti theft equipment only makes money for the people providing it. Locks keep honest people honest. Criminals need to go to jail for a long time.
     
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  8. Solid State

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    Damn. Didn't warm up the engine.
     
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  9. Rabies

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    If it's a UK car, it will have had a tracker fitted - which is only any use if it is enabled and providing the owner does not leave a fob in the car. This looks like a professional job so they may even have known how to disable it or if the owner leaves the fob in the car.
     
  10. subirg

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    Keyless cars are super easy to steel via boosters which connect direct to the genuine keys (for instance). Older stuff with proper ignition keys is harder. None are impossible though… one of the best defences is one of those really ugly steering wheel locks. Crude but effective.
     
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  11. 350MH83

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    The 812 is not a keyless entry though. you still need to push the button to unlock the doors. So the way they open the car without your key is that they camp next to it with a radio scanner, and intercept the signal from your key when you press the open button. They can then replicate this signal to unlock the car without you.
     
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  12. Wheels1

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    They got in via the emergency door key lock on the drivers side, how they started it I have no idea.
     
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  13. otakki

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    It's a major hurdle for dealers to program new keys and not every dealer could do it, yet the thieves only need a few minutes to replicate the key signal to start the engine. Of course nothing is fool-proof, but are we missing something here?...Maybe insurance fraud?

    Those were the exact 2 things going through my mind when I saw the thread title.
     
  14. craze

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    You must remember there are some very clever people out there who also back engineer or leak out data to hack ecus etc, i imagine opening a car and driving off is easier than a ecu hack/tune
     
  15. rjwheels

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    ..... frightening..... so what do they do now with a stolen 812 GTS ?
     
  16. Nospinzone

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    I didn't think fraud at first, but that's a good question.

    My questions were why was the car parked overnight on a city street, and if you have a camera trained on it, why wasn't the owner sent an alert?
     
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  17. peterp

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    One simple thing you can do to protect yourself is to get a Faraday box for key storage (https://www.amazon.com/Faraday-Protector-Signal-Blocking-Shielding/dp/B07W94QLKM/ref=sr_1_5?crid=3IE5Y3SRE5ITD&keywords=anti-theft+key+box&qid=1686351182&sprefix=anti-theft+key+box,aps,129&sr=8-5). Keeping your keys stored in the box should prevent signal boosters from working. We've been using one for years. I have no way to test it to confirm it does what it says, but I assume it works.



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  18. Wheels1

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    #18 Wheels1, Jun 10, 2023
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    The key for a GTS is not a radio key, it only operates when you press the button, so there is no point putting it in a box/case.
    It looks like they took somthing large in to the car and maybe plugged in to the OBD port. What ever they did it shocking, what would they do with the car? All UK cars come with factory fitted trackers so hopfully it was traced.
     
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  19. subirg

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    Any metal box will do. Even a biscuit tin. Effectively shields whatever is inside the box from radio wave transmissions in/out. So a thief with a signal booster can’t ‘connect’ to the key fob transmitter in the box.
     
  20. subirg

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    That looks like Mayfair in london. An 812GTS is quite an ‘average’ car for that part of town…
     
  21. Rifledriver

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    Be out of the country by dawn and on its way to a country that does not care like Japan.
     
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  22. JTSE30

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    Yes, it is a radio key, that is how the keyless ignition works, just have the key in the cabin and the car senses it and will start/run...(yes, you need to push a button to lock/unlock/open trunk but the key is a radio key, at least in terms of RFID for ignition)
     
  23. Wheels1

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    Thanks, I did not think of that.
     
  24. rjwheels

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    ...... according to information from a UK Insurer source, the likely destination currently is Russia ... stolen to order complete or later break down for parts.

    In the UK, Ferrari's are routinely fitted with a Vodafone Navtrak system including a driver card. If the card isn't present when the car starts, it should send an Alert to Vodafone for them to contact the owner.

    I would advise all UK owners to regularly test that the system works, by starting the car without the driver card present. If you don't get a call, then ask them to run a 'location test'..... don't be surprised if it doesn't work. I've discovered, it's like anything else on the car .... it can go wrong. The problem is you might not know.
     
  25. Solid State

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    Sounds like a useless feature for a new Ferrari. The system should disable the ignition to prevent starting the car in the first place. I would not want my car back if stolen.
     

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