Vraiment discussion

I told Rob last year I did not want to be nominated at all and told everyone not to vote for me.

Given my "I think I'm done with Ferrari" thread this year, I think I succeeded without having to ask again this year.


I believe this is a chance for those on Fchat to give thanks to those who were able to help owners and would be owners the most. A true ambassador is one who helps people with their knowledge and experience to get them over the hump of fear and misinformation to better enjoy their machines they worked their whole lives for.

Those are the people I think deserving of this, whoever they may be out there.

 

Or ME, I drive my 360 daily so I should be the ambassador since I fly the flag daily.



geez, now you are guys are getting picky...Vraiment may be a better FOG ambassador but he is super active in all things Ferrari so why does that kick him out of the running ?

 

Rob,

My take fwiw:

1. I think you need a clearer official description of what this award is. (And isn't). Is it for the person who gives the most to the community? Or one who represents the community to outsiders? Or?
2. The name of the award may well be inconsistent (or mis named) with that description.
3. I recommend you and the mods and 2-3 super users (not counting social posts) should form a committee and make the decision. By all means, ask the community for nominations. But basing this on such small vote numbers will never drive the result you are looking for and will always encourage campaigning.

Finally, I don't know joe and have never done anything with fog...so no biases or associations here...IMHO your posts re joe seem to reflect some slight personal issue with fog or joe or both and are coming across as needlessly unfair. Just some feedback (unsolicited). I'm likely wrong, and you believe you are being fair and doing the right thing, but please realize the perception of some is different.

Oh, one more thing...my definition of this is someone who contributes to our community in a huge way...and terry would get my vote this year (as would bob in some years)

 

If a moderator position is typically given to someone who "doesn't want it" and doesn't "try to get it" or isn't motivated to be a moderator, then why not give the Ambassador title to someone who is apparently a great Ferrari guy and doesn't contribute much to the Ferrarichat community?

Would make sense as far as fchat logic is concerned. Flame me all you want but I make a good point.

 

No you don't.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

Thank God I'm not in the lead...or anywhere near winning!

 

Then you probably have a good chance of becoming Ambassador...

It's also funny that "Vraiment" means "Really" in french. That's a reaction that often occurs when reading some of the posts on this site (And no, not mine).

In all seriousness and sarcasm aside, Bernardo would make a good Ambassador....he's always on the site and is the most non-controversial guy I know.

Good luck to all the candidates.

 

Clueless.

 

I thought we were voting for an ambassador of Ferrarichat.com and not for a Nobel Prize winner.

Regardless of rules, etc. can't please everyone.

Relax everyone and let's have some fun w/ it...

 

Hmmmm . . . lemme think about this one for a minute.

Your logic is flawed, or your illogic is perfect. Take your pick.

An ambassador is one who represents his country, or in this case this site, in a public way. There are no stealth ambassadors.

 

For some, things only need to make sense when it's convenient.

For the record, I do agree 100% with Rob's point of view regarding the qualifications and qualities needed to be an ambassador, I was just kidding around and being sarcastic.

So sensitive around here, geez.....

 

Rob Lay,

In reading this thread in its entirety, it is clear to me that you have no clue who Vraiment or FOG are all about. And it is blatantly obvious that you don't care anyway, so I feel no need to waste my time about how ludicrous your response in this whole thread towards a person and group that you have no idea about. I have no intent on changing your opinion in this, as I firmly believe you are "set in your ways. I just wanted to help shed a little light on the type of person Vraiment is, perhaps defend this man and his organization that has taken quite a few shots in the gut during this thread. Perhaps help other people realize who the real Vraiment is. You have never seen a hint of Vraiment defending himself here, as he is not that type of guy.

Vraiment is one of the most self-less individuals at I have ever met. He never asked to be nominated for your F-chest ambassador of the year award. He never campaigned amongst FOG (Ferrari Owners Group) to vote for him. In fact, knowing him over the years, Joe would likely feel uncomfortable in receiving such a title. Vraiment is not that guy who "toots his own horn." The nominations and subsequent barrage of votes to shoot him into the lead, came from many individuals who decided to do so in their own accord. Vraiment had no part of this and many people have come to give their support (nomination or vote). This speaks volume on how his peers view him. In the same way, I felt it my duty to defend this man who has not "fallen to your level of mudslinging."

You have characterized F-chat's relationship with FOG is "nothing special"as you have made similar associations with the for profit organization, FCA, and that FOG has "done nothing" to help F-chat, and "takes more than "gives" in it's relationship. What does all of this have to do with people nominating and voting for Vraiment for the F-chat ambassador? It sounds more like you have selfish motives, only for F-chat's benefit, not the other way around.

Maybe a little background about FOG's origins can help you and others understand FOG a bit more. FOG started with a few guys with Ferraris who initially connected via F-CHAT with the single desire to drive together and meet up for a quick Brunch and talk about their experience. The numbers grew each passing session and many strong relationships were built amongst people that manifested the same interests for these cars and the experience they bring. We felt like the luckiest people in the world having what we have and doing what we do. It was one man's vision to try to do something different, something special, in an aim to "give back" with the resources and talents that the group had culminated. FOG has put together 3 annual road rallies, 3 high quality magazine publications, and donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to yearly selected charity entities. To this day, FOG has no membership fee to join, no requirements to attend a certain amount of events. People come and participate out of their own free will. FOG is not a car club, "like FCA", nor competes with FCA, as many of the FOG members and even board members have been or are FCA members, as well. All of this May sound "sappy" to you, but really it is not meant to change your opinions, but rather shed a different light to others on Vraiment and FOG. The man who had the philanthropic vision for FOG, was no other than, Vraiment.

Rob, based on your comments, I am confident that you have never met Vraiment, never, spoke to him, nor ever even communicated with him through email or text, as clearly you do not know this man.

 

Edited for time's sake.

Rob's a good guy. Vraiment, I'm sure is as well.

This isn't an attack against the man, it's simply a discussion about what an Fchat ambassador is, or is not, and ultimately Rob's definition (however sometimes murky that might be) is the final arbiter.

It never ceases to amaze me at how personally we take these discussions. Take a step back, re-read what you wrote, and what's been posted and I think you'll find it's something of an overreaction stemming from your personal relationship with vraiment.

I've stated it before, but maybe it bears repeating. Outside of FOG, how many folks here even know who vraiment is? Not many I suspect, and that should be the end of the discussion.

D

 

"READ" my first paragraph...the 600 words were not meant for you.

 

I'm just wondering what Vraiment thinks of all this. Where is he? Terry will, I'm sure if asked, concede that he's a perfect nominee for Fchat Ambassador. No need to split hairs there. Does Joe think "Joe" is a perfect candidate for Fchat Ambassador? Would he want all of his friends stirring the pot like this over something Fchat says he's not qualified for? Has he left the FOG discussion to come see this?

 

Vraiment doesn't like his name mentioned on the Internet, especially linked with his handle. It would be nice if posters (and mods) would respect his privacy in that regard. IMO, he needn't dignify the unwarranted attacks with a response.

Let's review. He was nominated for an award he did not seek and has not campaigned for. He has been summarily and unconditionally disqualified from consideration and you think that he should show up and defend himself to a group that wouldn't listen or even care if he did? How about just dropping it? I'm just amazed at the overall nastiness that has resulted from a thread about an award for the person who most exemplifies the spread of goodwill in the community. Kind of ironic that this is the group deciding who gets such an award, wouldn't you say?

 

Considering I didn't know him from Adam, my guess is reading back a bit you'll find that one of your friends caused that to slip. Since none of his varitable swarm of friends chiming in mentioned it at the time, I'd appreciate you redirecting this please.


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If you would re-read my post, you would understand that it was not necessarily directed at you, as many of my posts may be a response but are intended for the general audience. Besides, it's customary not to mention a user's real name when it's intentionally not listed on his profile.