Wait List ?

Not really missing anything...those guys where probably told "hey if you want to oder a 458 buy a 430 first and then we can talk"

 

I bought a 430 from my dealer and still cant get on the 458 or 458 Spider list. It was a recent purchase, I told them I wanted a 458 before I bought the 430. So your theory is busted at my south FL dealer.

5) More likely it was someone that wanted a 458, and got the 430 to hold them over until they received their allotment.

So my vote is for:
#1 or #5

Or maybe they just did not like the F430. You know it is possible, however unlikely.

 

From my experience, #2 and #4 are frequent occurrences.

 

1 and 2. People buy a used car to get higher on the mythical list and also to pleasure themselves during the wait. Yes, they get bored and want the latest and greatest.

3- No.

4- No. It's been going on since the 360 introduction and the long waiting lists associated with it (and people paying massively over MSRP for one). It's not random. It's by design.

 

It's all by territory and allocation. In some areas, the lists are way longer than others.

 

+1

 

+2

 

+3

 

They are ****ing you over big time in the states. So ridiculous, can't believe this is even allowed.

 

Supply and demand -- supply and demand. If there was not high demand, none of this would exist.

The best customers get first pick. Want a car earlier? Become a good customer.

If you're a frequent flyer on an airline, do you expect to get a free upgrade before someone who never flew that airline before? Would you be upset if a first time buyer got the upgrade before you -- the loyal customer?

Is that unfair too?

Is it unfair that cars like the Enzo are sold out before anyone even knows they are on the market? Ferrari goes to their best customers and offer it to them first. If you were a loyal customer, would you like it if some first time buyer got one ahead of you? What's the point of being a good customer then? Why not take your business elsewhere?

Same thing.

 

Well said.

 

Wow, you and I are neighbors. I'm in Leesburg as well, but took it off my profile a while back.

You'll get value from the hobby you're proposing. Something to be said for owning a lot of different cars. Fun stuff. I'm only half a year into my 430, LOVE IT, truly, and already looking for the next ride. Silly, I know. But it's simply pay to play. So many cars; so little time. Just got my hip replaced, at 44 no less, and HAD TO have a spider prior. Now that I can enjoy a coupe, I'm actually really getting gaga over 599's. 430 coupes are gorgeous as well, but would like to experience a front engine 600+ HP beast with an actual interior. 430 interior is okay, minimalist. My wife would like the 599.

 

We have the once a month cars and coffee in Lanswdowne this saturday, first saturday of every month. Come on out. Would love to see your 430. As for the wait list, I'm assuming you need to establish a rapport with one dealer over time, and doubt there's any correct answer, exactly number of transactions, value of metal purchased, etc. I got on the list, and my guess is it's simply my charming personality, as I'm only on my second car and haven't bought several California's over list nor sacraficed my first born child Who knows. But you might have been better off if that were your goal letting Franklyn or Jonathan at FOW work on getting you the car you wanted so you could get a start there. Otherwise, I guess keep trading with Algar and see where it gets you. But if you can't drop in and shoot the **** over a cup of coffee once in a while, kinda hard to get that warm fuzzy going. I stop in there regularly because I love chatting with the guys and looking at the cars. It's fun, club like, sorta. I guess it used to be more that way under prior ownership, used to have F1 race day gatherings and such. Still, really great bunch of guys. Everyone at FOW is cool.

 

Funny, I DID name my first born Enzo and still cant get on the list! Maybe I am not as charming as you. Likely the case.

 

That doesn't really seem fair to me either. Honestly, I'd give it to you, if I could. Seriously, if it mattered that much to someone, I don't exactly feel like I earned something or deserve something. I think they just, as Bob said, had allocation and I happened to ask at the right time.

 

I'm completely happy with my current spider. I just only have one garage space to use for my toys and want to experience more. Frankly, I'm assuming I'll be able to handle the car when my number comes up, and they know it. The way busienss is heading, would appear to be the case. But you never know. As for the 599, I expect I have a couple or three years before I even get to option my 458 spider, and that's a long time for me to be in a car, as in never. Very good chance I'll do something in between the 430 and the 458, and could be a 599.

 

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I do understand but you are still being ripped off.

The waiting list here in Europe for a 458 is probably pretty long (+1,5-2 years, correct me if I'm wrong) but if I had the funds I could get a new one or one with less than 100 miles in 2 days time without having to buy a F430 or any other car.

 

Have you tried?

 

Pre-owned? No problem. You can get one tomorrow. Want to order a new one custom made? Wait. How long you wait depends on how many are ahead of you and the dealer's allocation. It's pretty simple and it's not unique to cars. Anything that is in short supply and high demand will have similar issues.

It's called free enterprise.