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Wanna be the next Bernie? "Formula E" coming soon....

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  1. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    #1 Fast_ian, Aug 11, 2011
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    Hey,

    From the FIA site - I have no idea where all the damn "*"'s came from! Sorry 'bout that!

    They're projecting F3 type speeds, but only 15 minute races!.....

    The complete (PDF) "call for expressions of interest & selection process" document is here: http://www.fia.com/en-GB/Documents/fia-formula-e.pdf

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  2. Ney

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    15 min. race segments...
    "refueling" makes for a 3 hour pit time delta. :)
     
  3. GrigioGuy

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    I love how greenies have no concept of reality. Electric race cars == coal or nuclear powered + power transmission losses + lithium mining. Worse than burning dead dinosaurs.
     
  4. Ney

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    Oh great, bring logic and reality to the table. Most people only think as far back down the production line as the wall plug. Where the electricity comes from and how it is made never enters the thought process.
     
  5. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    +1

    IIRC, it was Top Gear that did a segment on just how "dirty" the production of the Prius is - **** gets mined on one continent, shipped to another, made into batteries, shipped to yet another and so on. By way of comparison, a Merc 500 (?) was declared (by the German greenies no less!) as the "cleanest" car out there at the time......

    Having said that, I like the idea of "Formula E" - It will hopefully drive improvements in technology - Kinda like war does! :eek:

    Cheers,
    Ian
    PS - Thanks for getting rid of all the "*"s - How'd you do that?.....
     
  6. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    +1 From Top Gear (again) - Boris Johnson, mayor of London at the time was on pitching his "we should all go electric" nonsense. When JC asked where the electricity came from, he said "the plug in the wall!".......

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  7. GrigioGuy

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    Copied into a text editor and replaced-all the * with a space
     
  8. Fast_ian

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    S-w-e-e-t. Thanks again.
     
  9. Ney

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    Of course he did. That plug in the wall is just magic. Boris strikes me as a guy who played a bit too much rugby without a helmet. Always slightly bemused and dazed. No one is going to confuse him with Stephen Hawking....
     
  10. Far Out

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    You can nearly discount the transmission losses etc. On most primary energy sources, electric cars are a lot more efficient than gasoline/diesel powered ones.
     
  11. Savoy6

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    i thought this already existed at every hobby store parking lot on sundays.
     
  12. william

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    People also seem to lose that on the fact that in high-ensity areas, large concentrationsof petrol vehicles really present polution problems.

    Electric vehicles should be welcome in large towns for most vehicles that don't cover a long range (police cars, fire engines, ambulances, city deliveries, daily commute, buses,garbage collection, etc...), but stay local and only need a limited range

    Wherever the electricity that power them is produced, it's likely to be in low-density areas with lower pollution emission. So the two balance really.

    I wouldn't advocate electric cars for long distances, cross continent travel or anything out of town, but for short range, they really make sense.

    A racing formula that could help develop electric technology is certainly not to be s******ed at.
     
  13. Simon^2

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    How about you include the mfg of the batteries, and the disposal of the batteries into the equation and get back to us...

    Approx 50 million cars are built each year... Just wait until the greenies get confronted with what to do with the dead battery carcasses of those 50M cars each year...
     
  14. iamthesimpleone

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    I'm sure it enters their thought process. Just if they had their way, if the wind died down and it got cloudy outside, the whole grid would shut down.

    Truth be told high voltage DC is rather efficent at transmitting power. And if implemented right, everyone would be charging their cars at night, to level out the load, allowing more efficent baseline power plants to be used, and less need for inefficent/expensive peaking plants to be used...the generation isn't the problem, its them trying to store it in chemicals that is inefficent :(
     
  15. Bas

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    I give it 2 years before it gets cancelled.
     
  16. MITengineer

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    I think if you trust real facts well-to-wheel emissions are far lower for electric or hybrid vehicles. I'm not a greenie, I just ready facts beyond Jeremy Clarksons occasional television rant.

    Do you really think the additional metals mining, purification, and casting required for an enormous 5 litre engine block is energy efficient compared to making a battery? Not to mension the total efficiency of oil production.... (refining, purify). At least Lithium is still near the surface...
     

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