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WARNING: FRAUD!!!!

Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by jaymatwhit, Aug 20, 2004.

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  1. jaymatwhit

    jaymatwhit Rookie

    Aug 11, 2004
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    "[email protected]" was supposed to be buying my car, read his e mail:To summerise it means you loose the car and £8'500.00.

    i am in america and i run my company in which i buy auto machines for clients around the world as long as you can assure me of the car being in perfect condition.
    thanks for you response .actually i have a garage where i put the cars i buy in europe but due to the haste of my client i will be sending a draft of 80,500 pounds This means the draft that will be sent to you will include an excess amount which is 8,500 pounds for the shippers fee for a home pick up from your base down to
    united states its new origin, So the draft will be in the amount of 80,500pounds whereby you will deduct the cost of the car which is 72000 pounds and send the balance of 8500 pounds to my shipper via moneygram wire transfer or western union money transfer, Any of which is closest to you or preferred .You did not need to worry as our prepaid shipping company will come to pick the car up from your base for shippment to america and the draft will include the fees i mentioned above.
    so i am trusting you to handle his funds with care and honesty and UTMOST confidentiality. What i want to clarify is that will you be able to cash the draft immediately from your bank and send the excess back via western union money transfer for the
    shipping charges that my shipper will pay to the shipping company through western union money transfer or moneygram method
    as soon as the draft is cashed and you deduct the money for the sales
    of your car?
    Please your answer on this will enable me to issue a directive to contact my client on the need to contact my bank to get the draft ready and send
    it to you with out any further delay . so send me your name, address and phone number so that the draft can be sent to you as soon as possible
    thanks
     
  2. UroTrash

    UroTrash Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Jan 20, 2004
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    I'm starting to miss the Nigerian 419 scammers...
     
  3. mk e

    mk e F1 World Champ

    Oct 31, 2003
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    Help me get this thing finished! https://gofund.me/39def36c
    Oh No, It looks like America is the new home of the Nigerian Car Fraud game.
     
  4. Doody

    Doody F1 Veteran

    Nov 16, 2001
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    do people actually fall for this stuff?

    i mean, this guy can send YOU money but he can't send his SHIPPER money? it doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

    i have to assume that people DO fall for it, or it wouldn't keep coming around over and over and over again.

    very sad.

    doody.
     
  5. Ricambi America

    Ricambi America F1 World Champ
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    Call me a snob, but if the buyer can't bother to capitalize the letter "i" when referring to himself he's too stoopid to deal in large sums of money. I think if these scam artists would attend an English 101 course, they'd have a much better chance of making these deals.
     
  6. amos

    amos Rookie

    May 26, 2004
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    "Stoopid?" I hope you meant to spell it that way.
     
  7. Admiral Thrawn

    Admiral Thrawn F1 Rookie

    Jul 2, 2003
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    Ya, of course. ;)
     
  8. enjoythemusic

    enjoythemusic F1 World Champ

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    Snob! ;-)

    Well, you asked as i always use the small 'i'. And how large a sun of funds shall i be allowed to handle according to you?
     
  9. bernardo66

    bernardo66 The Crazy Cat Man
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    Dec 14, 2003
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    A number of people (myself included) in my club, who had their cars up for sale, have recieved similar e-mails, all from the same character: [email protected].

    BTW, ''auto machines,'' that's just precious.
     
  10. paulie_b

    paulie_b F1 Veteran
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    Jan 13, 2003
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    moral of the story........don't do business with someone who can't write or type intelligently......in any language!
     
  11. pmorin

    pmorin Karting

    May 14, 2004
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    Kinda sounds like Mr Burns...

    Pat
     
  12. Dr C

    Dr C Formula Junior

    Dec 1, 2002
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    Why not request that they actually use a bank to bank wire transfer to your bank. I did this when I sold my 308. My buyer's bank contacted my bank Vice President, then wired the money directly into my account without the buyer ever having access to any of my account information. If they refuse, f them.

    Obviously the changes are incredibly high that they would refuse. But, even scam artists can be stupid. They might just think that they can get out of the wire transfer just like they do their stupid (probably stolen) certified checks.

    Wouldn't it be fun to scam a scam artist? If it did work, it would undoubtedly work only one time. But the smug look on your face would, to paraphrase the Master Card commercial, be priceless!
     
  13. Stackhouse

    Stackhouse F1 Rookie
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    Feb 14, 2004
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    !!!ADVICE FROM DA PIMP!!!

    Your idea of scamming a scam artist is a dangerous one and may land you in Jail! Here is how the scam works...

    Scammer sends funds via stolen, check, credit card , bank account …Once the funds arrive in your bank account (or once you deposit the check) the bank will NOT allow you to withdrawal a certain amount of the funds deposited. (for example any deposit over $5k may be subject to a 24-48 hour wait so that the bank can confirm the funds are legit. But taking out $4,999 could be done that same day.)
    This is where many people get JACKED. Because the scammer requested you send a money gram, check... in an amount below the withdrawal limit, the bank will not stop you. He gets his money (I wont explain how he cashes out because I don’t need to influence any scammers out there) and you get stiffed with a notice a day later notifying you that the deposit you made did not clear and the amount will be deducted from your account.

    NOW YOU are responsible for the $$ sent to the Scammer.

    For example $50K was deposited. You sent $5K to the scammer (for shipping). Bank notifies you that the deposit is void and the $50K will be deducted from your account. You only have $45K left and the additional $5K will be taken from your own funds. If you don’t have them the Bank will go after you for the remaining $5K

    So how can you land in Jail? The scammer is committing fraud by using a false or stolen means of payment. If you decide to take his $5K and keep it yourself (or even send it back to him) you are also committing fraud.

    Are you following me on this?

    Just remember the money was never there! It’s the Banks money! And they will want it back!

    The best way to Scam a Scammer is contact Law enforcement and send the Bass-Turd to Jail! (if he is in the country)

    PD
     
  14. Ricambi America

    Ricambi America F1 World Champ
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    As PD points out, trying to scam the scammer is just plane stoopid.

    ;-)







    .






    Yes, I know.
     
  15. FasterIsBetter

    FasterIsBetter F1 Veteran

    Jul 22, 2004
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    We've had numerous threads like this going on the Jag-lovers list for a long time. These frauds take many different forms, but they are all essentially the same. There was a more pernicious one that was perpetrated in the UK a couple of times and in the US a couple of times that I have heard of. It goes like this:

    You have your car for sale. Someone calls/emails/contacts you and says they are interested. They come and look at the car and make a deal. They say that they will give you a bank or cashier's check. You say fine. They might even give you a small down payment in cash to "hold" the car. They come back the next day with what looks like a nice, authentic cashier's check drawn on a well-known bank. You happily sign over the title, give them the keys and watch them drive off, smiling with check in hand. You go to the bank, deposit the check. A few days later, your bank tells you the check bounced, that it was counterfeit. Your car, keys and title are long gone (probably already shipped overseas). Smile is now gone.

    The internet scammers are rather transparent to anyone with a half a brain. Some of these other crooks are a lot harder to sniff out. When I was selling one of my Jaguar's recently, I had a couple of suspicious inquiries. I responded by saying I won't release the car or title until funds have cleared or money sent to me by wire transfer, and bank confirms to me that funds are good. Amazing that I never heard from them again.

    Regards,
    Steve W.
     
  16. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Dec 6, 2002
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    Bubba
    "In God we Trust.........all others, bring cash" LOL!
     
  17. bernardo66

    bernardo66 The Crazy Cat Man
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    Dec 14, 2003
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    Amen to that!!!!!
     
  18. davey_jones

    davey_jones Formula Junior

    Sep 28, 2002
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    actually, Im thaynkful these scamers R stoopid and cant spell.

    99% of the fraud we catch on our websites are because these dorks can't spell or punctuate correctly! It just stands out.....
     
  19. Jdubbya

    Jdubbya The $10 Trillion Man
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    Dec 28, 2003
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    I like the fact that he first claims he is sending the extra money so you can pay for shipping and in the next breath talks about his "prepaid shipping company" picking the car up.

    Good one!!!
     
  20. garysp7

    garysp7 Formula Junior

    Mar 28, 2004
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    Gary
    Several months ago I posted that what I am used to doing was showing up with a briefcase full of banded 100's for the full price of the car. That seemed to upset many people. They seemd to be suspicious of anyone shjowing up with 100K plus in cash to buy a car.
    Well, after reading all these postings, it seems you can't even trust someone now with what looks like a certified check from a bank.
    Wire transfers are good but you are limited to doing transactions when the banks are open.
    I still have no problem with CASH. But then again, I guess that could be counterfeit. I guess everyone needs one of those magic markers stores have now for cash.
    gary
     

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