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What are early 80's 911SC's selling for these days?

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  1. nathandarby67

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    #1 nathandarby67, Jan 28, 2010
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    I have been thinking about jumping into one of these to use as a semi-daily/around town driver. Have looked at a few nearby cars for sale, am watching ebay, etc. I am just having a hard time figuring out what the correct value range is for these cars. I have always been more of a british car and Ferrari guy, so I am not terribly familiar with the world of Porsche and current market values. From looking at completed listings on ebay there seems to be a spread from roughly $8 to $15K, for some very similar cars as far as appearance, condition, miles, etc. That is not a huge amount in terms of total dollar amount, but that is almost a 100% spread from bottom to top.

    Heres the deal: I have set aside a small amount of money to use towards a "fun" semi-daily driver. The rules are to buy a car, keep it a few months, sell it without losing any money (or maybe even making a few hundred bucks), then move on to the next interesting car on my list. So I do not want to over-pay for a car, I can be as patient as I need to be, I am not picky on color, mileage, etc. I would just like to get the best deal possible on whatever car I end up with.

    A few more specific questions as it pertains to these cars:

    1) How important is originality? There are a lot of cars out there with newer wheels, whale tails added, modified engines, etc.

    2) How important is color? There seem to be a lot of gold/brown/tan type colors out there that would really impact value of a Ferrari, but how important is this with Porsche?

    3) How much to add or subtract for a targa as compared to a coupe?

    Thanks guys!
     
  2. Tcar

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    #2 Tcar, Jan 28, 2010
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    Prices are down from a year ago with the 'economy'.

    8-15 seems to be roughly the range with the top being unmolested very low mileage examples.

    Mods like tails, etc. are thought by many to be a plus, others to be a minus. I bought one with and it was gone within a week.

    Color is part of the value; an identical 'tan' car, and a silver car might be as much as a couple thousand difference. But there are folks that really like colors like Sepia and many think (I do) they are beautiful.

    A repaint in a different (from factory) color is usually a minus unless it's very well done and it's a change from 'baby diaper yellow' to silver or...

    Wheels are not a huge deal, except that if it has, say 7 and 9 by 16 Fuchs, that's worth a thousand or so.

    Non-sunroof coupes are the rarest and usually worth more. SR coupes maybe next and targas last... but I (and many others) really like targas. Mine's an '80.

    SC's can have pulled head studs and still run OK.

    If very low mileage, it can still have the original rubber-centered clutch which can come apart.

    The 915 gearbox takes a bit of getting used to. Not a speed shifter.
     
  3. thecarreaper

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    i would not buy a pre 84 911. i have had 5 so far of the 84-89 3.2's and they are damn near bulletproof. the pre 84 cars CIS injection is a super duper pain in the butt, not to mention the earlier cars issues with the case studs pulling out.

    you can get nice 3.2 Carreras in the $15,000 range, depending on what you want.

    i will never buy a CIS early Porsche.
     
  4. nathandarby67

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    Great information so far guys, thanks! I have always heard about head stud problems with the 2.7's, but did not know they existed with the 3.0's as well. Is there an easy way to check the condition of them, and how hard is it to fix if they are broken? I have also heard it is good to upgrade to the later 3.2 style cam chain tensioners. Any other big issues to be on the lookout for?

    Carreaper- I have definitely not ruled the 3.2's out of my search. In fact, those were what I originally was looking for. As you say, they have a great reputation for being fun, quick, and solid. I just recently found myself thinking about the 3.0's as there have been a couple of ones near here pop up for sale in the past few months. Aside from the fuel injection and head stud issues, what are the other significant differences in the two models? Regarding the CIS injection, how different is it from the system on a Mondial 8? I had to do a bit of troubleshooting on my Mondial back when I first bought it, and after getting the books and looking at the diagrams on how it all works, it didn't seem too complex. Once I got my few issues ironed out it has been dead reliable.
     
  5. bpu699

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    If you are looking to make money, you are actually shopping for the right "seller" not the right "car." There are lots of desperate folks out there right now... and banks aren't lending on 30 year old toys... :)

    Offer half of what its worth...and wait. You will get it...
     
  6. nathandarby67

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    #6 nathandarby67, Jan 28, 2010
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    Half? :) I knew times were bad, but wow!

    The primary goal is not necessarily to make money, I just don't want to lose any when I sell it and roll the money over into the next car. I've got this constantly evolving mental list of 15-20 cars I would like to experience someday, but that are not "keepers".
     
  7. Fpassion

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    3.2 are known to pull studs as well and they are heavier than SC's.

    Early SC's are free from emission control devices and the 78 has the larger fuel pump and more responsive. SC's are great cars and proven to last 250-300k without major overhaul. You should be able to pick up a clean original car with chain tensionors and pop off valve, for 8-10k white,silver,red,black yield most demand. Cars with original leather seats especially with 930 seats, chin-rear spoiler raise the price.
     
  8. PCA Hack

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    I'd look for a 3.2 w/G50 transmission - a definite step up from the 915 in performance and durability. Although the G50's work well, they still drive "old" IMO.
     
  9. andrew911

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    you're talking 1987 and up....that's getting out of the $8-15K range for a clean car with up to date maint.
     
  10. Tcar

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    I've owned 3 different CIS cars, a 73.5 and 2 SC's.

    I have never had ANY trouble with any of them. Make sure it has a pop-off (backfire) valve in the air cleaner.

    The 3.0 engine is bulletproof. Never had a stud problem, either. Peter Zimmerman calls it a 300,000 mile motor if it's maintained.
     
  11. Highlow

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    What is a good price for an '84 911 targa with 163k? Assume it is in 'Fair' Condition.
     
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    Is something like that worth buying?
     
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    I think there are very good "driver" 911 made between 1978 and 1984 with CIS, as long as the "pop off" valve and pressure fed tensioners were added. I belive there is not a "good driver" 911 before 1978. The 74-77 had engine issues and the Pre 1974 cost to much for a "driver" For instance a 1974 911S sells for 6-10K and the same shape 1973 911S sells for 50-80K
    Fritz
     
  15. thecarreaper

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    agree, but i hate CIS, and i am not going to fiddle fart around with blow off valves, valve guide issues, and CIS pressure gauges to make it run right. i know a 3.2 will pull the studs,( if they are abused and overheated) and some of them also have valve guide / oil usage issues. but a good 3.2 is way easier to own, and just drive.

    the PPI will tell the tale.


    its like having a carb 308 versus an injected QV. i have had all of each, and i hated the CIS 911 i had.

    i wont buy another. just my .02
     
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    not to me. i would buy rather buy a car in good shape for the same money, it may be an older sc but that's my opinion. i think the addadge is buy the best car you an find for the money.
     
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    So are there big differences in the Porsche CIS and the ones on similar vintage Ferraris? I have never heard of the need for a pop-off valve before.
     
  18. Kds

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    IMHO nothing matters as much as overall mechanical condition.

    Exterior color, coupe or targa, etc, is irrelevant when a correct engine rebuild can cost you the same as the purchase price of the car (in some cases) and a transaxle is about 1/3 the price.

    There is no such thing as a bargain priced 911..........but if I had to stay around $15K..........I agree with everyone else here that the 3.0 litre 911 SC from 1978-82 would be the choice.
     
  19. Texas Forever

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    Ok, what if you were not constrained by $15k? Let's life the bar to $30k.

    Me? I'd say an '89 911 or a 93-94 911.

    You?

    Dale
     
  20. Kds

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    #20 Kds, Jan 30, 2010
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    Hi Dale......

    While I have no gripe with the 3.2 Carrera's at all and great cars can be had for $25-30K.......I'd go with the 964 all the way just because I personally like the looks.........and I'd even kick it up to $35-40K for a perfect legit low mileage "concours" example. Now we're talking about 993 money when you use a 4 in the price.......but I am nuts for 964's.......you get can a really great well maintained driver quality one for $30K. Under $30K you start getting into those ratted out high milers........and it gets harder because you end up looking at so much junk before you find a good one, sometimes you simply get tired and give up looking.
     
  21. thecarreaper

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    fine, :) SC's may be great to some guys. but some of you need to look on cars.com, Hemmingss, the Autotrader, and see that there are a ton of 3.2 84-89 911's out there, for under the $15k mark mentioned here. dollars to donuts, i would buy a 3.2 over a 3.0 CIS car any day.

    i promise to be quiet now.


    :)
     
  22. Kds

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    #22 Kds, Jan 30, 2010
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    If there was a 3.2 around $15K and in good condition I would buy it too over an SC. You can sell an SC or 3.2 for $10K+ for the parts.......just the clean coupe bodyshell is worth $5-7K all day long.

    I just think it is too hard to find one that is really nice for that price.......because my standards are probably too unrealistic and I am too lazy to look that hard.
     

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