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Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by christopher, Nov 10, 2004.

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  1. christopher

    christopher Formula 3

    Nov 29, 2003
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    Ontario California
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    Christopher
    #1 christopher, Nov 10, 2004
    Hello “F” Chatters,
    How’s this look to you? In short this guy from an e-bay sale where he was requesting people to contact him before they “bid” as to qualify bidders for a low reserved classic car. He’s from a 3rd world country in Europe. I’m approaching this very, very cautiously!
    Let me know you thoughts on his e-mail correspondence. Does anyone out there have any experience buying cas overseas?
    Thank you.

    Chris.


    This was after we negotiated some logistics: (All after will be replies by seller)

    Hello there!

    I have received your email and I understand your concerns. However,
    until now,this way I have always conducted my sales and I never had a problem. Feel free to check my feedback page on eBay to see that I have only positive comments (no feed back avail, too old of listing)
    from the buyers and sellers I dealt with. For most eBay users, this is more
    than enough. I have always kept my part of the deal in the past... Why should it be different this time? I'm waiting your email so we can arrange everything right away. the car had her original body whit no damage na hole or something like thatbay the way i don't want to accept your idea because here to make a cards can take several weeks and untill then you can already have your car and save some precious money My best wishes! i'm waiting for your mail

    Cont’d e-mail:

    hi again
    i solve the taxes problem the shipping fees icluding insurance will be some 2300$; i think the car will pass the inspection because she was inspected here two months ago and she was ok yes this was an europen car ; so tomorow i will ship the car (i will need your adress for that) and then i send you the shipping document (i will use UPS )and you send me some money to pay the fees.the rest of the amount you will send it to me after you receive the car my best regards!!i'm waiting for your mail

    Cont’d e-mail:

    hi again
    i was today at the shipping department and the told me i can pay them in max 12 hours after i shipp the car so after i shipp the car i send you the documents and you send me the amount the rest of the money you will gave me after you receive the car.for the shipping i will need your entire adress and your full name so i expect your mail whit those info
    my best regards!! i'm waiting for yuor mail

    Cont’d e-mail:

    hi again
    for shipping i will use UPS but as i told you y have spoken whit them and they told me to pay them cash in max 12 hours; the balance of money yuo will send them after you receive your car;the car has his original engine and had never been out of the car.i rarely drive this car an she is in verry good shape.So you agree to send me those money after i shipp the car ?i ask you that just to know if i ship the car or not.as i told you before you'll never have a problem whit this car and she will pass the inpection. so i expect your confirmation and after that i will shipp you the car
    my best regards!!i'm waiting for yuor mail

    Latest e-mail:

    hi again
    ok i acept to pay me the rest of the money in C.O.D;asi told you i will use UPS Express and the car will be in Los Angeles in max 3-5 days ,from there a truck will bring her at your door but you can come to Los Angeles to see her and drive her to you place.when the car is shippen i will inform you at every 6 hours the status of the car . so we agree after i shipp the car you will send me the found i need for the shipp and insurance fees.because you agree i'l tomorrow morning and i shipp the car then send you the documents .
    my best regards!! i'm waiting for your mail

    My communication to you:

    There you have it, he seems pretty persistant and attempts to answer questions, Don't worry "Mama didn't raise no fool" I'm not gonna send money to someone I don't know "ain't gonna happen."

    I'd like your thoughts.

    Repsectfully,
    Chris L.
     
  2. SrfCity

    SrfCity F1 World Champ

    Nov 1, 2003
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    #2 SrfCity, Nov 10, 2004
    It could be fishy. You or someone needs to verify in person imo. Based on a quick scan of this I wouldn't send any money without some serious due diligence.
     
  3. mw575

    mw575 F1 Rookie

    May 30, 2001
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    Martin J Weiner,M.D.
    #3 mw575, Nov 10, 2004
    Run --don't walk!
     
  4. Inert

    Inert Karting

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    #4 Inert, Nov 10, 2004
    In my personal experience with E Bay i lost 2k on a PC purchase a few years ago and never received 1 red cent in reimbursement, the putz simply filed bankruptcy. I am fully aware of the difference between a PC and a Ferrari but i won't buy a stick of gum off Ebay now. If you feel that strongly about the vehicle i would place the funds in an escrow account contingent everything is legit.
     
  5. 134282

    134282 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    #5 134282, Nov 10, 2004
    Run away. He only wants part of the money and will take the rest after you get the car...? Run.
     
  6. Bandit

    Bandit Formula Junior

    Dec 21, 2003
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    #6 Bandit, Nov 10, 2004
    If the transaction is legitimate (I don't think it is) and the car is worth the expense and hassle to import, then it is worth getting a lawyer or escrow company to handle the transfer. Make sure some trustworthy independent party takes possession of the car before authorizing the release of the funds. I bet if you suggest that to the seller you won't hear from him again.

    Of course, it goes without saying that you should have a PPI done on the car before making any kind of offer.
     
  7. 4i2fly

    4i2fly Formula 3

    Apr 16, 2004
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    SF, Bay Area
    #7 4i2fly, Nov 10, 2004
    This is the scam that's been discussed so many times on this forum, may have been in other ways. If it is too good to be true, it is...
     
  8. don_xvi

    don_xvi F1 Rookie

    Nov 1, 2003
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    #8 don_xvi, Nov 10, 2004
    Well, after another 48 hours to ponder your situation with this guy since you first asked about this deal in the last thread.... I'd say

    [size=+1]RUN DON'T WALK![/size]

    This is a classic scam! Do some searches on ebay in this forum. Do a search on ebay and scam.. Do a search on ebay and italy. Take your pick any or all, you'll get plenty of info on sooooooooooo many other people that are supposed to be selling cars the same way. But we've never heard of anyone that's actually gotten a CAR like this.

    I know you want a great deal and the guy has a convincing scheme for how to do it and make sure you're protected. There's always more to it than he lets on. We, collectively, have seen this many times before. Now quit talking to this guy and quit hoping for a bargain against all reason. But do keep posting if you insist on continuing in this pursuit. We'll keep trying to talk you out of it.
     
  9. yasir

    yasir Formula Junior

    Nov 5, 2003
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    #9 yasir, Nov 10, 2004
    Considering how exceptional of a deal you are getting,i would rather fly to his place & check out the car myself,but thats just me.Anyway this type of scam has been done numerous times and yet people fall for for it.
    Yasir
     
  10. Rerun

    Rerun Karting

    Jun 16, 2004
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    #10 Rerun, Nov 10, 2004
    Don't do it.
     
  11. f355spider

    f355spider F1 World Champ
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    May 29, 2001
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    #11 f355spider, Nov 11, 2004
    Christopher,
    I need a current picture of you....cause there should be marks all over you from the fall you took off the back of the turnip truck... ;)

    Dude, you posted, cause you KNOW this deal stinks.

    Dave
     
  12. Kewpie

    Kewpie Formula Junior

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    #12 Kewpie, Nov 11, 2004
    ROFLMAO

    you will be lucky if you get a 1:18
    LOL loser.
     
  13. christopher

    christopher Formula 3

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    #13 christopher, Nov 11, 2004
    Hey Guys,

    Thanks for confirming what I suspected, I appreciate your feed-back and common sense!!!

    You guys a great, in some cases even brutely honest!!!!

    Thank you again!!!
     
  14. christopher

    christopher Formula 3

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    #14 christopher, Nov 12, 2004
    After insisting that he sell the car C.O.D., since he was using UPS-of all carriers, he became insistant that he wanted money upfront!

    I told hem to "pack sand"............

    A total scam...............

    Thanks for you feedback guys!

    Chris.
     
  15. darkalley

    darkalley Formula Junior

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    #15 darkalley, Nov 12, 2004
    If you are seriously thinking about a grey market car I would reach out to a few of the players doing the conversions/EPA certs. They can point you in the right direction if you really want to go grey market.
     
  16. christopher

    christopher Formula 3

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    #16 christopher, Nov 15, 2004
    Appreciate the advise!!
     

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