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What could I have done differently?

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  1. FrostyAK

    FrostyAK Formula Junior

    Aug 6, 2005
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    Last night while my wife and I were driving home I had a near accident. I was heading into an intersection and after which it is highway, so I was picking up speed. A car decides to merge into my lane very late, the purpose of which is beyond me because there were no cars ahead of him. I ended up using two empty turn lanes to avoid hitting the car, hit a patch of ice and spun.

    It was my first near accident under these conditions. My question is when you feel the back end start to come undone what should you do in terms of combined breaking and steering to regain control?

    Thanks
    - Chris
     
  2. racerx3317

    racerx3317 F1 Veteran

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    Well it depends on the situation and how fast the car comes around. If you feel the tail start to come around hard you have to snap the opposite lock in to get it back, but if it's too late, it's too late in that case. Some slides you just can't catch. A slower slide can be corrected a bit slower but like i said it all depends on the situation. As far as brakes go DONT USE THEM AT ALL. In most cases you'll make the slide worse. As far as throttle, it depends, usually I don't come out of the gas but sometimes you have to, to get the car back under control. It also depends on what kind of car you're driving. I'm assuming you have a front engine rear drive. It would be different in an AWD or FWD in which case you want to get back on the gas to use the front wheels to pull you out of the slide.
     
  3. Ciao Bello 348

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    True.. Depends on the type of car and power train (Front, Rear or All). Some skids you just cant recover from, especially hard under ice, snow, slippery rain conditions. You dont know what you hit and if youre gonna hit some more. We have to assume you were at some type of highway speed too.

    Maybe you should post this one in the PROVE GOD EXISTS thread cause sometimes the man upstairs is looking out for us.
     
  4. amenasce

    amenasce Three Time F1 World Champ
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    With ice involved its also almost impossible to catch back.
     
  5. Fan512bbi

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    If you it a patch of ice there is nothing that you can do, just hope for the best.
     
  6. racerx3317

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    It depends on the patch of ice I guess. If it's a rather small one you might be able to get out of it. I once worked in an airport and while driving a tug with a co-worker we go over a patch of ice. He looked at me and smiled. The focker then proceeded to yank the parking brake on me. I corrected it and kept on going. It was a pretty small patch so I came out of it. He looked at me in amazement.
     
  7. Etcetera

    Etcetera Two Time F1 World Champ
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    You were driving too fast for the conditions.

    Slow down.
     
  8. FrostyAK

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    Thanks for all of your responses. Everything happened so fast that the whole concept of 'time slowing down' really came into play; my mind was working so much faster than everything that was going on. I was trying to correct the spin, watch where I was headed and checking to see if anyone was headed for me all at the same time. I really did thank God last night that everyone was alright. Even though it was not a 'contact accident', it was still an accident and one that I want to avoid in the future.

    - Chris
     
  9. shiggins

    shiggins Formula 3

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    Take a driving school.
     
  10. XR4Tim

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    I assume you were driving the WRX? If your rear wheels start to slide out, turn the wheel the opposite direction that the front is spinning (if your rear wheels slide to your left, crank the wheel left). With AWD, when you get the car pointed the right direction, sometimes you can help correct by tapping the gas a little so that one or more wheels can gain traction. Do not use your brakes. Of course, the faster you're going, the harder it is to correct. I took out a light pole off the highway last November in my Saab.
     
  11. afwrench

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    In some situations you can regain control by depressing the clutch or slipping it into neutral for a second or two. This disconnects the wheels from the engine so that even with your foot of the gas the engine is not driving the wheels and continuing to "push or pull" you in the wrong direction.
     
  12. Mule

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    Chris,
    Glad it was a "near" accident and you are both safe. Looks like we got some more of the white stuff this morning to help all of the last minute hurried holiday grocery shoppers today.

    Did it happen down near Dimond?
     
  13. ryalex

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    Contrary to your impulse to brake hard, when you start sliding in the WRX you should point where you want to go and apply throttle. The AWD will pull against a slide and often the car snaps back into place (my experience). I've been in a few icy slides on the highway at 50-65mph with the tail coming around (twice after being cut off), pressed the throttle more with the wheel pointed straight up the lane, and the WRX snapped straight like a champ.

    You should really find a big, empty parking lot in the winter and slide around for a while to get a feel for it. Just don't slide the WRX on bare pavement that's not wet/icy/snowy or it will damage the differential. Being in AK, you should look into some dedicated snow tires too. RE92's are not great for winter.
     
  14. 285ferrari

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    Always turn your wheels the way you want to go!!!!
     
  15. Dubai Vol

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    One last thing: if you have completely lost control, locking the brakes solidly will at least insure you slide in a straight line from that point on. That can be a lot better than shooting off to one side in a random trajectory. Especially useful if you hit a patch of ice that spins you without imparting significant side motion. Lock the brakes and slide straight down the road.
     

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