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What does the E in 250GTE stand for?

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  1. TerryG!

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    Marcel - I haven't seen those documents before, so thank you for posting the images. They don't seem to answer the OP's question but I found them very interesting.
     
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  2. T308

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    I thought the /E referenced the Tipo 508E chassis.
     
  3. lancia

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    I believe T308 is correct, the 'E' is a reference to chassis Tipo 508E. The other speculative interpretations are interesting and amusing, but Ferrari designations in period are relatively direct and reading historian Prunet's "The Road Cars", there is no mention of any unusual association other than the chassis tipo. I think Gerald Roush published an expanded FML treatise on the GTE years ago, but no longer have it to check that source. (Note the Lampredi-engined 250 Europa had a chassis number suffix EU, not E.)
     
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  4. Marcel Massini

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    Sorry for the potential hair splitting here but a chassis number suffix is something totally different than a general TYPE designation such as GT/E etc.

    A chassis number suffix could be "GT" or "LM", etc.
    Here's a quick incomplete overview for some chassis number suffixes:

    A = America.
    AL = America Lungo.
    AM = America.
    AT = America Tubolare.
    C = Corsa.
    CM = Carrera Messicana.
    E = Export.
    ED = Export Tubolare.
    EL = Export Lungo.
    ES = Export Sport.
    ET = Export Tubolare.
    EU = Europa.
    EX = Export or Experimentale.
    F = Formula.
    FL = Formula Libre.
    GT = Gran Turismo.
    GTB = Gran Turismo Berlinetta.
    GTC = Gran Turismo Competizione.
    I = Inter.
    LM = Le Mans.
    M = Mille Miglia or Monza.
    MD = Mondial.
    MDTR = Mondial Testa Rossa.
    MI = Monza Indianapolis.
    MM = Mille Miglia.
    MT = Monza Tubolare.
    S = Sport.
    SA = Superamerica.
    SF = Superfast.
    T = Tuboscocca.
    TF = Targa Florio.
    TR = Testa Rossa.

    Marcel Massini
     
  5. TTR

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    Do I understand correctly that the “E” in GTE (or GT/E) does not indicate or mean “Export” ?
     
  6. lancia

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    Marcel, Thanks, understood. My main point was referring to the chassis tipo 508E not the individual chassis number. My other side point was relative to suggestions the E may mean Europe, just noting the nuance of how the 250 Europa individual chassis suffix was tagged EU, not E.
     
  7. Marcel Massini

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    Yes. The "E" in GTE is not Export and it also is not a chassis number suffix but a model type designation. Two totally different things.

    Marcel Massini
     
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    Thank you.
     
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    Maybe GT Endurance?
     
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    The E in GTE stands for Endurance
     
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    Naah, that'll buff out. :rolleyes:
     
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    What? Nobody said Economie ??
     
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  19. Cennini

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    Could it be that the difference between the Tipo 128E and the Tipo 128F refer to the 4-speed + overdrive versus the 5-speed manual in the 250 GTE?
     
  20. miurasv

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    All 3 series of the 250 GT 2+2 have a 4 speed + Overdrive gearbox.
     
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    no GTE has a 5 speed originally
     
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    From Godfrey Eaton's The Complete Ferrari book published in 1986:

    "It is apparently the 'E' suffix to the engine type designation that has given rise to a general tendency to refer to the car as '250GTE'."
     
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    My s/n 4209 had a 128F engine with a 4-speed transmission plus overdrive. The difference in the E and F engine was in its cylinder heads.
     
  24. John Vardanian

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    #74 John Vardanian, Jun 18, 2020
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    If you look at the complete reference in Post 54, the suffixes have generally referred to three things (1) the coach-build style, (2) the intended use, and (3) the the intended market. I don't think the "E" is a reference to the engine.

    john
     
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  25. Cennini

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    I found a clue on the Ferrari website. The original engine was Tipo 128F and from 1963 onwards ( so basically from the series 3 ) they named it 128E/63. So contrary to what I assumed it has nothing to do with gearbox etc. It is an evolution in the engine. Cars with an 128E/63 engine have an upgraded compression.


    https://www.ferrari.com/en-EN/auto/250-gt-2-2
     

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