What does the S and F stand for?

My mind is so full of useless tid bits like this......Thanks, Rob!

 

cool thread!

 

I think it was started in jest because someone checked "over there" and made a comment, last week.

It never hurts to recap though, for the newbies!!!!

How's your frame work goin'?? It's all jus' steel, huh? I use a frame guy that can make one car out of the front half and the back half of two different cars!

 

Call me a train lover, but the prancing horse logo is also displayed in the front of Norfolk Southern locomotives. One can only hope the F-car prancing horse never tangles with this one though...

 

Good question. Interesting thread guys. A lot of great insight.

 

FWIW

RE: ************.com (Titled: Interesting Pages)

"The Ferrari Prancing Horse Logo Story"

The history of the provenance of the prancing horse
in the Ferrari logo is not always clear to everybody
and to be honest, we can only go by the explanation
that Enzo Ferrari has given himself in his autobiography
"My terrible joys" which first appeared in 1963 and in
which he says: "As my trade mark, I continued to use
the rampant horse that had been used on the cars of
the old Scuderia Ferrari.
The story of this rampant horse is a simple and fascinating
one.The emblem was emblazoned on the fighter plane of
Francesco Baracca, the ace of World War I, who was shot
down at Montello. In 1923, when competing in the first
Circuito del Savio, at Ravenna, I made acquaintance of
Count Enrico Baracca, the hero's father; as a result of
that meeting, I was subsequently introduced to the ace's
mother, the Countess Paolina Baracca, who one day said
to me: Ferrari, why don't you put my son's rampant horse
on your car? It will bring you luck"
I still have Baracca's photograph, with his parents dedication
in which they entrust the horse to me. The horse was, and
has remained, black; whilst I myself added the gold field,
this being the color of Modena"

Pretty neat little Read!

 

Various scanned photos relevant to this thread at

Photo of Count Baaracca's plne showing the family emblem
http://home.earthlink.net/~fchat/images/Baracca%20Plane.jpg

Description from Eaton. Like many things Ferrari, there is not full agreement on the story behind the Prancing Horse
http://home.earthlink.net/~fchat/images/Eaton%20text.jpg

The Baracca family emblem
http://home.earthlink.net/~fchat/images/Baracca.jpg

The Ferrari emblem
http://home.earthlink.net/~fchat/images/Ferrari.jpg

One of the earliest printed SF items.
http://home.earthlink.net/~fchat/images/Scuderia%20Magazine%20Cover.jpg

 

Sadly the EarthLink links are all now dead ... along with EarthLink.

 

THIS IS THE CORRECT - AND TRUE ACCOUNT.

there is no connection with the Porsche horse - which is the crest symbol of Stuttgart - or Stud place in ancient High German. it was the place where the Grand Dukes of Wurrtnemburg had their own Studs that raised Horses (calvary horses mostly), usually under the command of the Holy Roman Emperor. The Grand Dukes were Lander Graff und Herzogs - counts and dukes of Swabia - that is the geographical area of Stuttgart.

its a nice story - about the rivalry but there is no truth to it at all.

Baraccas squadron is in deed a former Calvary regiment - turned into an air squadron. the Germans had the same thing - Von Richtofen was a calvary officer - turned into a fighter pilot.

Enzo Ferrari adopted the horse as a gift from Signora Baracca - after a race in Ravenna or Arecebo i think... regardless his home town is Modena =Yellow, add the black horse and italian National colors and Scuderia Ferrari... and you end up with one of the top 3 most recgonizable symbols in history.


P.S. - Enzo Ferrari was in WWI as a black smith - true to his last name - and was shoeing mules that were used to pull cannons up the mountains during the Trento and Adige campaigns... but was taken sick and sent to Milan / Turin for rehabilitation .... and basically that saved his life as the German - Austrians broke through in late 1917 - 1918 battles of Capporetta... where a guy by the name of Rommel made his mark... ( and got the Blue max)

 

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They also fired hand guns and rifles at each other before the above wing and syncro machineguns were invented.

My Dad's Dad was a Pursuit (Fighter) Pilot in WWI but never deployed to Europe. Recounted here earlier.

 

initally airplanes were used as reconnisance and scouting for artillery... started use against the Russians by the Germans in WWI. when you look at military technology WWI is amazing - airplanes at the beginning looked much closer to the wright bros flyer than planes today. by the end of the war there were armoured planes mulit engines ..

 

Its exactly the same in French (no wonder, because French derives mainly from latin - and greek -)
"écurie" (same word, in French, as "Scuderia" in Italian) means the building where you have your horses. It is also used in the sense of "racing team", or "équipe"...

Rgds

 

Absolutely, the prancing horse came, as "spirot" (Tom) wrote above, to the Italian Air Force from the Cavalry Regiment "Piemont Reale", perhaps brought by Barraca, and then was adopted as the squadron badge, for the Squadron 91A.
That squadron later became the famous "4th Stormo", also called "Barraca", and has a long and distinguished association with the "Regia Aeronautica" during World War II, but also after WWII and to this very day with the "Aeronautica Militare".

Here enclosed a picture of a "effecentoquattro" (= F-104) with the prancing horse on the Tail.

916 Starfighter

Rgds

 

Ferrari also literary means "blacksmiths" in Italian and all the Romagna area of Italy was dedicated to people manufacturing metal weapons for the Roman Empire at the time. All those skills have translated into the thriving local supercars and motorcycles industry.

 

La bara volante

 

more often known in Italy as "Spillone"...

Rgds

 

"Ferrari" is the third most common Italian family name; as common as "Smith" in English, or "Kuznets / Kuznetsov" in Russian, etc...which have the same origin.

Rgds

 

Very true. Ferrari is from the latin meaning one who works with iron. - that then became the black smith ... then the Ferrier who shoed horses.

Likely in roman times only the Patriticians had family names - most ( Slaves ) or some plebians got their sur names from the jobs they did or their families did.... so Enzo's family was from very pesant - humble origins.


I drive a Smith.... not as sexy but actually the name has the same meaning.

 

Well,

Not wanting to enter into a boring conversation...

But very probably the use of "prenomen, nomen, cognomen" as in the Roman Empire did get lost during the time of the barabarian invasions in Italy, just as it was lost by the same phenomenon in France (?). The romans brought us the roman naming convention.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_naming_conventions

Here in France, the family name then re-appeared from the XIIth century, when the demographic push made no longer practical the use of the Christian Name only. A family name was then added to the Christian Name, composed form one of the main characteristic of the person, such as his occupation.
It was definitively "carved in stone" by a Royal Decree by the King Louis XI, in 1474, that decree forbade any change to your family name without the King's consent.

Rgds

 

I have these framed hanging in my cave.
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Cavallino means pony, right? Cavallino rampante = prancing pony rather than prancing horse.