What does the US Think of Canada?

So you are saying she can do the splits like the Vancouver goalie?

The french thing was a jab...she is not fond of them...

 

All I think about when I think about Canada is:

WHISTLER

nothing like a great (eh, not anymore) exchange rate and hot Kiwi women working your ski lifts......and 8000+ acres of skiing!

My ex.....(nymph)


oh and Hockey.

 

The US deals with Iraq that you refer too were during the 1980s. BEFORE the Kuwait invastion and Gulf War I. The US did have ties to Saddam, we used him as needed during the Cold War, a lesser evil situation. Bad business... but required at the time (or at least it seemed so, hindsight is always 20/20).

American companies did buy some Iraqi oil during the oil for food program period, but AFTER the oil had cleared Iraq and was outside the sanctions. I would also not be surprised if some US oil companies and/or individuals end up being indicted on this. But the big difference is that the US Govt. was not directly involved in these illegal dealings and in efforts to hide them and assist them in continueing. The French Govt. was. That is a very big difference.

The French dealings with Saddam were after GW I and in direct violation to UN resolutions and sanctions. That is a very different thing. Also.. you are incorrect that the French illegal dealings with Saddam were profitable for the Iraqi people. During the oil for food program and UN sanction, according to the UN over 500,000 Iraqi's died from lack of food and medicine. How is that profitable? Saddam, his sons and some Baathist profited while his people rotted. France contributed to this. Sorry if my not thinking this is ok comes off as arrogance.

The French oppose the US because they believe there is money and power to be had by such a position. I dont have a problem with France opposing the US. I really dont, its a free planet and they can take whatever position they want. Just dont expect us Americans to smile and ignore their position. If they act as an enemy to the US.... the US will treat them as an enemy. Look at how US Tourism in France has plummeted in the past couple of years.

AS to no one being right or wrong, well thats just nuts. You could say the same thing about ANY conflict between nations through history. The Germans and Allies during WWII just had different views, right? Nobody was right or wrong, just different views? I am sure each side believed THEY were right and the other was wrong and in the end the winner got to write the history. Thats the way it works.

Also... the UN is not about compromise. That may be the idea, but its operational reality is very different. The UN is about nations manipulating world opinion and power for their own benefit. This usually comes down to various means of milking money from the US. The French did not oppose the US in the UN because they seeked a compromise. They did it because they were making billions dealing illegally with Saddam and they wanted that to continue.

An American dares to speak his opinion and oppose your views so I am arrogant? Good luck with that.....

I also love your opinion that we brought 9/11 on ourselves. If you have evidence that US intelligence was given the date, time, flight numbers and names of the terrorists who conducted this attack I am sure EVERY US media outlet would pay you well for this material. Otherwise the fact that we received some general warnings does not mean we could have prevented the attacks.

The French secret service among the best in the world? HEHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Look.... I am not anti-Canada at all. I like Canada. I didnt know until someone on the news recently said it that there was any real problem between the US and Canada. I actually dont believe there is, its a media thing.

As to France.... sure they can oppose US political positions and actions. Sure they can oppose us in the UN. Sure they can deal with our political enemies. They have that right. It may actually be in their best interests to do so. Thats all fine and dandy. Just dont expect the US to smile, ignore it and continue to count France as an ally of the US. There is a new world order and its still being sorted out. IT looks as if France is "one of them" and not with us. That means France is becoming an enemy of the US. Just reality....


Terry

 

Dude, because you aren't an ally does not mean you are an enemy? Why is everything black and white in America? While I agree with some of the other things you say, you cannot say that going into Iraq was the right thing, and then everyone who disagrees is nuts. Because that is what you just said. Bringing WW2 and other conflicts into it is irrelevant, that was not what he meant and you know it. That was just to stupify him to make your argument stronger. It's a matter of opinion if you think the war is right or not, Bush and the US does not set the standard on what is wrong and right. You make is sound like it is.

 

I never said that just because a nation does not agree with and support the US in its Iraq position means you are an enemy. I do not support that idea at all.

Nations like India(im not sure.. just an example) probably do not support the US invasion of Iraq. But, they also did not violate UN resolutions and sanctions by conducting illegal dealings with Saddam and thus ally themselves to Saddam. There are many nations that do not support the US Iraq position but whom also did not support and conduct business with Saddam. They are called neutral. I do not see them as enemies at all, I see them for what they are: NEUTRAL! No problem there are all.

There is a big difference between being neutral on the US Iraq war and being allied to Saddam. France opposed the US because they were allied to Saddam. That makes them an enemy of the US in my book.

Did the US have a problem with Romania in 1941? No.... but we still ended up at war with them and we bombed them into oblivion because they were allied to Nazi Germany. The US also had no problem with Franco's Fascists Spain in 1941 even though we were opposed in philosophy to his Govt. We didnt go to war with Spain because they chose to NOT ally themselves to Nazi Germany even though they were philosophically similar and Franco owed his govt.s position in power to German help during the Spanish civil war. Romania chose to be an enemy.... Spain chose to remain neutral even though both were closer in philosophy to Fascist Germany than to the US. Not a perfect example but you get the point.

Im not saying there is any risk of war with France. But France is no longer to be considered a close ally of the US and because they have chosen to actually support and do business with our enemies (in direct violation to the UN) they have put themselves in the position more of enemy than friend.

Remember.... its not because France was opposed philosophically to the US Iraq invasion that I consider them an enemy. ITs because they were actually supporting Saddam and his regime and conducting illegal business with them that I consider them an enemy. Big difference.


Terry

 

Thank you, good clarification.. all though, I don't think that France actually supported the regime. But that I will not get my nose into, because I don't know for sure. But good post, and for once we agree

 

Hey here is an idea.... Jonas and any of the other EUROPEAN users should ad what they perceive Canada and the USA to be like.


As a Canadian Living (now with PermResident stamp on passport) in the US i could really get into a couple of things posted here but I would rather let some of the Europeans express their thoughts first (Now if that isn't typical of a canadian i don't know what is)

 

Before any Canadian starts backing up France...

How about the 'certain' French politician coming to Canada and proclaiming his support for an independant Quebec while standing on our soil and slapping our Government right in the face with his ***** perfumed glove? He was quite correctly never allowed to step foot in this Country again...

Why were we upset? Could have been something about the thousands of Westerners, (Canadians, Brits and Americans) who died freeing their country...let's talk about French arrogance...big balls and short memories.

 

It took a lot of Gaul.... "Vive Le Lebratade Quebec!!" Charles DEGAUL

Yeah no poop there but thanks for actually knowing a little of what happened there most folks are so obtuse about these things they don't know this.

also France is now an Empire without an empire and they have done some truly crappie things but the US is right up there with their dealings and messing in other countries sovereign affairs.

 

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Well, I'll try.

How I percieve Americans and Canadians:

It's a hard one, because my impression have been altered alot because of users on this board. 3 years ago I would have praised everything about the US, I do not feel like that anymore.

I see americans as a hardworking people who will not stand back and let things get in their way of dreams. They want a small government because it is up the the individual to make it and find the best way possible to wealth. They see the government as an obstacle on this course. They want to find the quickest way for them as an individual and not the government who cannot go in and look at the individual as a whole. The funds that the government passes out in different wellfare plans and so on has to come from somewhere.. you can't give to someone without taking from another.

Americans is in general pretty intelligent people, but with to much focus on the really idiots like you see on "jaywalkling" - That gives a wrong impression around the world, but not something that everyone buys into. I see Americans as someone who will go enormous lenghts to accumulate wealth, especially in the form of "lawsuits" - I have never seen anything like this anywhere else but the US. You can sue everyone for the stupidest things, and win. I don't give much for that.

I see Americans and America as a place where you can make it big, really big if you have the right idea. A large consumers market and a "buy as much possible" mentallity makes it a great country to start companies with new products or old ones, if the demand is there. On the contrary, I also see it as a place who hold no regards for the poor people and the one's who have not been able to make it. A poor education, medicare and wellfare system all contribute to this, and I would not dare to take the chance and risk ending the last 40 years of my life on the streets or in a crappy apartment in Harlem or whatever. I also see it as a very religious place, and that in itself is cool. I respect other people's beliefs. Everyone should have something important in their life and if religion is that for some people, that is totally cool. But I think maybe some of the rightwing christians are intolerant, because they let religion control their life and decisions for them, and I consider that a little weak.

But all in all, the US is probably a wonderfull place, where everyone has an equal chance to live a normal life as everyone else. It's a place of oppotunities and great wealth, and as said, I would love to come over and see it sometime.


Oh, and maybe some americans are a little to arrogant for their own good. Like that Coultier woman

Love ya all

 

Don't forget, that France helped your ancesters liberate the US from the good ol' might United Kingdom.

 

Sorry, I did not have my location filled in....'their ancestors'...my ancestors were under the British Thumb. I often wondered why Americans forgot France's assistance...was a little while ago though.

While on the topic, I have included one of my favorite photos...
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Oh sorry mate

 

A US soldier using a Canadian truck, so what?

 

Those are Canadian operations in Afghanistan...the message on the back of the LAV indicates support for the U.S and is a personal message attached by Canadian soldiers.

Let me know if you need some more help with anything...

 

careful there, Neil is one of them Maritime Barbarians who is a little fond of his Kieths he might have to come out to Lotus land and Lay da boots tos ya

 

Don't forget to put laces in the boots first... He is only welcome out here if he can dig up some Newfie Screech and bring it along.

 

How can you be sure, were you there? As much as Americans are loyal to their country, Canadians are just as close to their motherland. So for a guy to be risking his life while day dreaming about another country is a little odd. I still think it's a Candian truck with Americans in it, or near it. Either way, it doesn't mean much of anything.

 

You don't have gasoline and milk out there?

 

I was not there...I had friends there...I was fooking around with cars that don't mean much while my friends were driving their bags off in the heat, dust and elevation for ungrateful sheltered young Canadians whom are without a clue. You don't get the photo because it shows a common bond and a message of respect for our allies who we were in combat with. You won't find any daydreamers there son, just men of commitment. By the way, Americans don't require the use of our equipment...you have that backwards. Did it mean much of anything when Cpl. R. Berenfinger was buried back on the Eastcoast recently? For those that have to watch for suicide bombers with their lives on the line, just imagine what a pissant you sound like.

 

boys boys boys

Neil: 2 min penalty for loosing yours sense of humor


NOcAR: Penalty shot called back for unsportsman like conduct.


Now both off to the Sin Bin and pick on the Marakans not each other

 

Watch out.
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You sound old, {dirt old}. Perhaps you could choke down a pill or two and remember the Americans who won't step onto the battlefield untill their Coke machines are producing "cold ones". Or all of your deserters fleeing to Canada because they are the bright ones who know what this war is about. {Just like the last 30-40 thousand who left for that same reason a few years ago}. Or all of the "FRENDLY FIRE" deaths caused by Americans. You had a couple of real aceholes drop bombs on Candians training on training grounds while your chicken b itch coc k munching pilots droped their bombs from a mile high. Yeah I know facts too wiseguy. As for me being "without a clue" we have had many family members in the military and still do today. "LONG LIVE PATRICK TILLMAN"... O wait, he was killed by another American? While there wasn't even an enemy in sight? Damn, guess he died for nothin' "THANKS BOYS!" I wonder how many women have been "had" over there by Americans? And by the way if the Americans didn't lie to the world about every reason for getting into this war, maybe no one who have to use any equiptment? <<< There, that should make your head pop off. Perhaps you should re friggin' lax a little grampy.

 

The wannabe with the attitude should move south.