What I would like in the next Enzo

Excellent list! I fully agree with it

 

...me!

 

I believe the <2500lb will be the greatest challenge these days. I would also love to see dimensions similar to the F40.

 

Bill, have you tried the Macca F1?

 

Interesting thoughts.

Has Ferrari ever done a center seating vehicle similar to the McLaren F1? I can't recall one.

 

Sounds good.

A roadgoing Ferrari V10 engine supercar would be nice, but won't happen.

 

Yep....waaaaayyyy back in the 60's or 70's. V12 to boot. McLaren copied WHO!?

 

What would I like? Or what is likely?

I'm actually a little concerned. The outgoing V12 Enzo was very different than the 360/430, or the V12 GT range. But how will the new F70 (?) really differentiate itself from just being a twin-turbo 458? If the goal is to be smaller and lighter, then its proportions won't be very different than the 458. We can assume it will have the same layout as the 458. Maybe it will have a carbon tub and stressed drivetrain. Maybe it will use magnetorheostatic horizontal pushrod suspension. Maybe its transmission will be faster, more speeds. But I doubt they will develop a completely different V8, even if it is twin turbocharged.

My guess is that they will power the front wheels via electric motor and KERS for better traction, coupled with software driven torque vectoring for better handling.

But still too related to the 458??

I suppose the 288GTO and F40 weren't too far off the 3xx formula and they are still highly regarded.

What do you think?

 

I would not be surprised if the next "Super-Ferrari" is pretty extreme in terms of its approach and conception.

The Millechili (Italian for one thousand kilograms) concept made clear that Ferrari see low weight designs the future of there next "Super Cars".

I would love to see Ferrari do there own interpenetration of a Caparo T1 type car, but i very much doubt Ferrari will go that far in terms of weight and performance.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/11/michelin18.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caparo_T1

 

F1 derived V8 + turbo's

 

After tossing it around for a few minutes I'm gonna have to agree with Bill on all point's. Bill has all the super toys and I think his personal experience says alot about what most likely alot of 'future owner's' would like to see.

Bill have you placed your order yet?

Best,
tex

 

V12, CF body and chassis, even though I will never be able to afford one. Enzo would like it.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

: Conventional 2 seater(3 sets are just impractical in my opinion)
: V12 (no V8 can match the sound of a V12)
: normally aspirated for good throttle response
: full carbon fiber construction, 1200 kg all in.
: around 720 bhp
: dual clutch
: 220 mph top speed
: short gearing to place a premium on acceleration as top speed is actually pretty irrelevant most of the time
: small overall dimensions to maximise agility
: jaw droppingly gorgeous styling

 

Anyone can make a fast car now. Let's see the next Enzo look absolutely INSANE! Like JAW DROPPING!

Ferrari has never really been about top speed. Anything 220mph+ is acceptable.

Would have to have the amazing and distinct Ferrari exhaust note.

 

Let them make the most insane, lunatic car they've ever made. It's only a matter of time before EU idiots make Ferrari and other hypercar makers cut out the Enzo-class cars...

Powerwise the new hybrid-hypercar concept from Porsche will develop between 750-800 hp, the new Murcielago successor will have 700 Naturally Aspirated hp. The bar is set.

 

I agree with you Bill S... ;-)

 

1. Twin Turbo V8 with 10K+ redline, acceptable throttle lag at high rpm, and 12-cylinder torque near 3K.

It will likely be V8TT.

2. Throaty idle and V12-like loud when accelerating.

Not likely.

3. Center seating position with a seat on either side.

Won't happen for several reasons including the wind shield has to be too wide and results in poor aero.

4. 2500 lbs or less.

It will be lighter but to get below 2500 lbs with full road gear will be VERY hard.

5. Overall dimensions similar to the F40.

It will be smaller than an Enzo.

6. No visible wings or spoilers. Sleek, sexy and noticeably different looking than anything else, both inside and out.

If it doesn't have wings, diffusers and splitters it won't be much fun to drive.

7. 800+ horsepower, 0-100 around 5 seconds. 60 to 130 in the low 6s. Quarter mile in the mid 10s. Top speed 240 mph+.

Top speed and HP are much less interesting than Torque that can be used to produce down force.

8. Two-wheel rear drive.

Unlikey.

9. Panoramic forward visibility.

For aero they'll want to lower cockpit which makes front fenders obscure apex's a touch.
(See new Audi Le Mans Car)

10. Dual-clutch paddle shifters.

Likely but those gearboxes are heavy and Lambo's new one is a quick shifter and much lighter.

11. 50 mpg on the highway with the engine operating in ECO mode with 4 cylinders.

Won't happen but will likely have stop/start and a lot of annoying electronic engine management.

12. No electric drivetrains, batteries or other energy storage devices... elegantly simple.

It will have a lot of electronic devices and likely some kind of KERS. It will be far from simple.

The 918 Porsche gives you an idea of the direction.

Ferrari's comments on monitoring the driver and adjusting systems gives you an idea.
(Too much Genital blood flow engine slow down)

Look at the Lambo lightweight concept, the 918, the Audi LMP1 coupe.

This video shows you how a light weight car is put together and how much aero you need to keep it stuck with only about 435 HP. (HP restricted by regulations)

http://videos.sportauto.fr/video/iLyROoafzIUm.html

 

I'd love to see a center seated Ferrari supercar, especially because I hate driving LHD cars in the uk. Surely if Mclaren can do it then Ferrari can without compromising Aerodynamics ?

 

They could do it but the wider the windshield the more drag. Look at the difference between the Ford GT MKI's and the MKIV's and the P 3/4. Lola taught them that.

 

Curious as to why you want a turbo V8 rather than a V12 given your other engine requirements... any particular driver for that?

 

although it's fun for me to speculate what a 'next enzo' should include, the reality it'll be Ferraris next halo-car, so will have to include & 'show' a lot of tech-wizard, some nod to eco-pointless (i.e. kers) and of course all those increasingly stringent regulations on every other aspect

personally, i'd love to see the move toward a simply more straight forward drivers experience car, much as OP spoken to, but maybe even more so, a strictly single seater, a compact v12 mid of course...truly an F1 for the street type car...but that's IMO

 

More power, lighter weight. Toyota Supras had a great sequential twin turbo setup that minimized lag, probably see something similar on the next Enzo replacement

 

I'm not sure a V8TT is the right way to go considering that the Mclaren 12C is a V8TT, of medium weight, has a carbon structure, and insane performance all for 200k Euro. I'm also skeptical how serious Ferrari are about 'light-weight' if they're going to fiddle around with electric motors and batteries. I hate to say it, because both seem unlikely, but a v10 or v12 is probably the best solution from a marketing perspective. And considering all the stuff they did with the FXX program, I don't know why they wouldn't stick that 800hp lump in the back of the F70; unless the FXX program was just a marketing ploy to sell some Ferrari "specials' at inflated prices.

When one has a light car, one passenger will change how the car performs, and two will completely change it--passengers add 10-20% to the car's weight. A three seat set-up would never allow both passengers to experience the car as it was intended.
An asymmetrical set-up might work, though--the driver would be pushed closer to the center and the passenger pushed back. You'd have a narrower passenger compartment and maybe some space left over for luggage.

I think they should also put carbon/carbon brakes on the car and move on from the CCMs. It seems that it's possible to get C/C brakes to work at lower temps now.

And where's Rory Byrne? Why not get him to put pen to paper. That guy was unbelievable.

Also, can we get Ferrari to go back to using round steering wheels?