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Oh boy.... I know where this came from..... Ok, Robb - here comes the next thread of drama you were looking for
It does not have to be. We can all play nice. There is no where posted what this entails. The term is used to casually not only by owners but by dealers. People need to know what is expected for what they pay. A "belt service" turd polishing of a car for sale is not a major service. 9 times out of 10 if you ask a dealer if the major has been done the answer is yes the "belts" are done. Belts are only the tip of the iceberg.
Well, that's what I just posted earlier today so to be honest, I thought you created this thread based on that to tell me a belt service is a major. Much to my suprise, 3 agreements between us in the last week is really freaking me out
The last independent Ferrari shop that I visited said they don't do 348s because there's no profit in it (actual labor and materials for a "full" service along with the "while we're in there" stuff, 'cause... old car. So the costs are too high overall for most owners). Not a diss, just reality.
OH I did not see your thread. Well regarding "agreements" I like the new Dave. LOL maybe in a moment of weakness I'll get you to believe in Gold connectors.
Nothing new about me, maybe new FBB or the moon and planets are aligning And I stand my ground, 100% respect for Dave H but I just don't buy the gold
Anytime you take an engine out of a car would be considered a major... rather you tighten up an oil line or rebuild a motor.. Basic info of this thread seems that you expected one thing and got another... As with anything, you have to check and recheck, if you don't understand something..ask.. If this was the 60's, the ole bait and switched worked quite well... in 2014 with the internet and every available media out there for anything you could possibly make a decision on from engine services to buying a Russian girl for your wife... if you get "taken" its your own fault and you didn't do your "due diligence" Sorry about all that..
That makes no sense because all Ferraris are like that. People I know who do indy Ferrari bill time and materials/parts whether a 250GTO or 348. If owners did not do repairs based on relative value of the cars then the same indy would not be doing mondials, 308's etc. Any Ferrari guy who wants a good running Ferrari where everything works is going to have to invest in the car and maybe even go outside normal part replacement repairs. So I got a second 2001 550M with 20k miles and less than 4 years on the major with OEM Ferrari belts not daycos. I have had the car a little while but too busy with my racing this year to do what I always do with a new acquisition which is to take the car apart from one end to the other and fix it. I can feel the difference in performance between this car and my 1st 60k mile 550 which is in way better mechanical condition from Service to Gold connectors, to brake system. I got the new 550 in pieces now thinking I would not have to do much. Well in 20k miles so far I found 1 broken cam sensor, 4 dripping fuel injectors, Dirt in many connectors, one off brand spark plug of the wrong heat range, cam timing off a few degrees, a couple thousands play in the water pump bearing, and more carbon than there should be on the intake valves because of garage queen type short distance driving use. There are no leaks anywhere and the prior service looked well done. I am only on day 2 of my dissassembly I am sure I will find more to do. So even a low mile queen can get you with gottchas. It is just part of the game.
Yeah, I'm with ya and you said it all right there. Maybe his comment was based on past experience when 348 ownership was still for those writing checks to others. Nowadays, there seems to be a lot more DYIers, well, on FerrariChat anyway.
OK, I'll take the bait. I 'm gonna say a major on a car that's running well is doing a compression test, dropping the engine, replacing the timing belt and tensioners, checking valve gaps, if hardcore consider degreeing your cams, depending on milage check the status of the plastic rub blocks on the oil pump chain, replace or rebuild the water pump, new plugs, consider new wires, new fuel and air filters, give the whole thing a careful look-see for anything else suspicious, if in doubt, throw in new O2 sensors, put it all back together again and pray for no oil leaks. New coolant is required, and maybe consider a brake fluid flush. Take 'er for a spin. OK FBB, what did I miss?
On a 348\355? Remove engine and change timing belts and tensioners, inspect and repair any other issues. One past major service on my car cost $25k, another cost $5k according to the receipts. It all depend on what the car needs once it's apart. Doing it myself next winter, I plan $5k but who knows once I get it apart what I'll find. Could be half, could be double.
My understanding of a major service and I do qualify everyone's will be differant is the following. New belts and bearings. These are all part of the ricambi kit. Last time sent out all injectors to be tested and cleaned. Rc eng. Checked water pump Checked alternator had bench tested. Checked ac compressor. Checked all connections. Installed gold kit but if check connections good I guess it's up to you Checked cv joints New spark plugs Changed all fluids except f1(done at dealer after) Bleeder brakes due to new fluid. Basically checked everything I could think of. Things I fixed and didn't need to Belts for alternators,ac,and water pump All seals except for spark plug covers because I would have needed those do to pulling plugs Refinished plug covers in red Some new hose clamps Scuderia ramparte hose kit. Gold supreme kit New rear bonnet shocks New front bonnet shocks New front bonnet rubber gasket mine was damaged from 6 years earlier New floor mats New tires other ones we getting old from previous owner not worn out yet. New f1 tyco relay Red dye seats while engine out (car sitting anyway) May have to add some things I forgot Check and confirm cam timing
Where on earth do you find time to do all this work? Something tells me you are bringing parts into the office and working on them in between patients. Maybe some of the tools are interchangeable too!
I consider this to be minimum: Timing belts Tensioner bearings Accessories belts New plugs New oil, air, gas filters Rebuild water pump All new coolant hoses Cam timing All new gaskets for valve covers, cam seals. New oil, gear box oil, brake fluid, and coolants Reseal all connector boots 50% of the times, I find engine mounts, shocks, alternator timing belt tensioner bearing, headers, cats, brake rotors, spider top bits and CV boots need replacement.
No commute! Hey if you are free you are welcome to come by and see the carnage in palos verdes. Also when I see you next I got to tell you about how I learned how awesome Stoptech brakes are. You might say Runoffs went well...
