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What is error C2027 KUP2 ?

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  1. modificator

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    Hello experts, what is the error C2027 KUP2 and how to fix it?

    Observed on a F430 and it's something related to E-diff (E-diff light on) and CAN messaging/missing some CAN message. But what is it exactly, what could be causing it? Any other thoughts?

    Any help appreciated!

    Thanks
     
  2. flash32

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    Not sure what a c2027 is but a c2017 is a stuck or faulty Ediff solenoid

    Try a simple Ediff bleed first using a diag tool like a launch mini etc

    Monitor the locking pressures as you drive ..they should go from 0 to 15 bar as you change speeds turn etc ..this is live data on the "differential" menu

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  3. modificator

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    Thank you, will give it a try.
     
  4. 360trev

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    #4 360trev, May 18, 2023
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    Q. Are you sure you didn't observe C6027 and not C2027 ? (typo?)

    KUP2 ( C6027 ) : There is a problem in the reception of the KUP2 CAN message: signals timeout, signals out of range or invalid data. This is typically caused by problems with CAN H and L transmission. Check CAN wiring.

    ERROR TYPE: CAN reception error
    CONDITIONS: The error is always detected

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    Here's the complete list I have;

    C6001: Battery Voltage < 5V
    C6015: Magnetic Valve Connection
    C6024: Bus CAN Off
    C6002: Battery Voltage < 10V
    C6003: Battery Voltage > 16V
    C6004: KL15 Plausibility
    C6005: Reset Due To Sudden Power Supply Shortage
    C6006: Pressure Sensor
    C6007: Pump Relay Connection
    C6008: System Recharge
    C6009: Low System Pressure
    C6010: High System Pressure
    C6011: External Accumulator System
    C6012: Pressure Lock Sensor
    C6013: The Voltage Of The Zero Lock Sensor Is Out Of Range
    C6014: Overheating Magnetic Valve's Driver Deactivation
    C6016: Plausibility Of Magnetic Valve Current & Lock Pressure
    C6017: Check: Pressure Deviation Too High
    C6018: Clutch System Moderate Overheat
    C6019: Clutch System High Overheat
    C6020: Ecu Sudden Reset
    C6021: Ecu Error
    C6022: Eeprom Error
    C6023: Error: Ecu Temperature Measurement
    C6025: N_MOT E TABSNM
    C6026: VRD_LH_ASR E VRD_RH_ASR
    C6027: KUP2
    C6028: Low Priority CAN Signals Missing
    C6029: High Priority CAN Signals Missing
    C6030: CAN Signals Missing
    C6031: Incomplete Vehicle Coding
     
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  5. Qavion

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    Good luck identifying the issue with the CAN Bus wiring. The E-Diff CAN is connected to 10 other devices. The signal going from the E-Diff ECU to the OBD port alone goes through 13 splices and 5 connectors.

    Do we know if "KUP2" is related to a particular device?
     
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  6. 360trev

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    If I get time I'll post up details of my engineers way of doing it, this requires my decoded list of CAN messages and their origin's which is unique per model and setup of car (F1, gated, etc.). From this using a USB CAN bus sniffer and my custom software it can show you precisely what's going on, what ecu's are missing or not and much more... Gives you immediate confidence of what's going on instantly.
     
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  7. modificator

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    It was C2027, concluded to be due to a faulty E-diff controller.

    Thanks for the help and comments!
     
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  8. 360trev

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    Really ODD because this code isn't actually originating in the E-diff firmware. It doesn't exist...
     
  9. flash32

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    Glad i could help ..if i pointed you in right direction

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