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what is the most reliable model?

Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by btrvalik, Jul 8, 2005.

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  1. btrvalik

    btrvalik Rookie

    Jul 6, 2005
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    Just jointed the forum.. but I've been doing a little lurking and search. I must confess that I come from an American big iron background. This is mainly since I like to turn the wrenches myself. I've though about a Porsche, BMW, etc forever but all my friends have them. I know an American car is not the prestige machine but I don't really care what other think and I have a 500 hp mustang will all the toys..it's fast, it handles, its fun... and I built it myself! I know the car sucks stock... but for me building it was the point. I know I will not get the torque I'm addicted to.. but I love the sound of a Ferrari.. there is nothing like it... well a Carrera GT sounds really good but I just can't bring myself to write that kind of check... in fact I would have a hard time justifying the buy of a new Ferrari as well. I love cars... but I'm old school with my money. I'm assuming I can't work on a Ferrari myself... I hope I'm wrong!! So if I have to get it services what model do I go for? I want another summer toy... I'm going to drive about 5K per year... I live in New England USA so it will not be a daily toy for me. I like the look of 348 and 355. Why are there so many low mileage Ferrari's out there? Are they that bad? Everyone I know that has one is afraid to drive it.. I know a number of guys with new Ferrari's and a Porsche or BMW as a driver.. they seem to be afraid of driving it too much. How much does the maintenance actually cost? The people on this board seem to be real car people that like Ferrari.. help me understand...

    Thanks
    Bruce
     
  2. RossoCorsaItaly

    RossoCorsaItaly F1 Rookie
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    Please search for most other questions and as far as the most reliable model, most say the 328.
     
  3. Z1Doctor

    Z1Doctor Karting

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    I had a 308 which most say you can work on yourself. I am not mechanicly inclined. The older the car the more little things you will have to do with it. I have a great local shop in my town and they had the benefit of doing the work. Not a horribly expensive one to fix either. I am sure the 328 is the same. I was told with my 308, 68K miles that I should expect 2K per year in maintenance. I spent 3K in the year and a half I owned it. Look at the parts sites in the top left ad section and you can see what costs are. I just purchased a 355 that had the full service just done to the tune of 10K, I am told I have a good couple of years before any maintenance will be due.
     
  4. Gatorrari

    Gatorrari F1 World Champ
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    The only problem with a car like the 328 is its age; I've been replacing a lot of worn-out 18/19-year-old parts. I wouldn't call this a reliability issue, since any car this age will need such parts replaced. Otherwise the car has been quite reliable.
     
  5. Ricambi America

    Ricambi America F1 World Champ
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    Q: "What is the most reliable model?"

    A: The one with a factory warranty and pickup/dropoff service.
     
  6. patpong

    patpong Formula 3

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    Q: "What is the best model?"

    A: " The next one I build ", Enzo

    Q: "What is the most reliable model?"

    A: " The next one I build ", Enzo
     
  7. Prova85

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    Exactly! You want reliable buy as above.

    For the kind of power and torque you're accustomed to I'd suggest looking at a 12cyl car ie. a Tr/512 or 550.
     
  8. btrvalik

    btrvalik Rookie

    Jul 6, 2005
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    Thanks for the info... Ask a silly question... I will still have to get my torque fix in the mustang.. I'm not expecting a Toyota here. I just assumed that Ferrari built some that are more finicky than others. I think $70-80K or so is my ideal... but not a hard limit. It does not seem like that is 550 territory... maybe 512 TR. I assume more cylinders = more problems so that is why a 348/355 seemed to make sense. What does one need to do to a 20+ yr old TR to keep it happy? I know nothing about F cars... I've seen lots of talk about timing belts and hoses.. are we also talking about valve adjustments / replacement? Pistons / cranks, cams... How does the electrical system hold up? Is the drive train a problem? I could do a 993 TT.. but its "just" a porsche...

    Thanks
    Bruce
     
  9. ferraripete

    ferraripete F1 World Champ

    a 993 tt w/ only a little work will hand your mustang its' azz w/ little drama.
    along w/ my ferraris, i have a 500 hp 930 turbo that is anything but "just a porsche"

    the 355 is the car for you. fast, pretty, and managable.

    good luck and welcome to our fun site!
     
  10. btrvalik

    btrvalik Rookie

    Jul 6, 2005
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    The "just" was a tongue in cheek... a TT is the only European car I've driven that can satisfy my torque needs while taking handling to a whole new level. The best experience I've ever had was behind the wheel was in a colleague's RUF in Germany. For me an F car is not only about raw performance..its less tangible than that. I'm just trying to figure out if it's cheaper than a mistress :^)
     
  11. jaturon

    jaturon Formula 3

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  12. Vlad328

    Vlad328 Formula Junior

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    Anything is cheaper than a mistress. I've read other threads before about the carbed 308's, esp. 1976-1977 GTB's before catalytic converters, as being great cars for those that like to learn from their cars and do their own work like tweeking the Webers. These are higher maintenance cars than the 328 and even 10 years older. But sound great because of the carbs. Parts are available. You get the classic Ferrari style. Power is close to 308QV. And $25-$30K gets you a fine example with all maintenance up to date.
     
  13. Auraraptor

    Auraraptor F1 World Champ
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    With your background and mechanical knowledge, get a 512TR.
     
  14. Dane

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    I'll put my bid in for the 308 (including GT4) series. Very few electronics, especially in the early ones, easy access (right and/or left tire and well(s) removed and you're in business), and the more you drive 'em, the better they are. Do a search for 308 owners' mileages and you'll see the toughness of the 308.

    BTW, you just can't go wrong with the looks. JMO, Dane
     
  15. btrvalik

    btrvalik Rookie

    Jul 6, 2005
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    Thanks for the info.. So are there guys that work on these cars themselves? I sit on my arse all day and turning a wrench help me connect with the real world... I love to work with my hands... as long as it's not a job! This is why I've always stuck to American iron... Is there an underground of Ferrari owners that do their own work? Italian sexy and bruised knuckles.. I could be in heaven :^)
     
  16. Dane

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    You're in it. There's some serious knowledge to be gained around here. Dane
     
  17. wonkazoo

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    My 328- 13,000 miles in 1 year, I wrench it mostly myself, and have spent less than 3k in parts and labor. (And most of that was due to my own stupidity.) Currently I have 33K on it- going up at about 1k per month. I have no idea which Ferrari is the most reliable, but I do know that I spent less maintaining my 328 for the past year than I spent maintaining my wife's Saab convertible for 6 months!! It isn't the fastest car I have owned, not by a long shot, but it is the most fun, and it rewards driver skill (Both good and bad.) better than anything else I have driven.

    Cheers,
    dce
     
  18. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

    Dr Tommy Cosgrove Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Speaking with first hand experience there is littel to worry about with a 308 QV. Mine is an 84 with 93,939 miles. I have just about beat it to death too and it still runs like a Honda Accord.
     
  19. btrvalik

    btrvalik Rookie

    Jul 6, 2005
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    Are there any good books out there? Where do you get shop / repair manuals for older models?
     
  20. 2000YELLOW360

    2000YELLOW360 F1 World Champ

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    see the "original Ferrari v8" for a good books with massive detail on the 3 series up to the 355.

    As for the realiability: the 360 is the most reliable, but the jury hasn't been out on the 430, they are too new.


    Art
     
  21. Ingenere

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    Well, Well....we have offered this guy very little help....other than buy one with a warranty. There was one 328 owner that actually DRIVES his car and does his own work...and note his is reliable. I personally can't believe that you would own Fcars and NOT do some of your own work. Most of my Fcar friends barely know where the gas goes, its really pathetic. As far as reliability goes, I've had a bunch, driven them all regularly and done most of my own service work. While they aren't that difficult to work on, you just have to be precise as a mistake can be expensive. Here's what I've had:

    308QV.......owned 5 years/very reliable/easy to work on
    348ts........owned 15 years/very reliable/easy to work on except for major but it is possible to do your own/major cost me ~$1200 in parts
    TR............had 10 years/same as 348...minor electrical problems
    Mondialt cab....owned 5 years/same as 348....0 trouble
    F40..........owned 4 years/same as 348...0 trouble

    My Ferraris have been very reliable, I think the secret is to do your own work and USE them. Not driving your Ferrari is like dating a supermodel and not sleeping with her....your just saving her for the next guy!

    Ciao.........Dino
     
  22. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

    Dr Tommy Cosgrove Three Time F1 World Champ
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    With the exception of valve adj. (twice) and belt changes (twice too) I do ALL the work on my car including the brake and electrical upgrades. In fact I work on all my cars.
     
  23. btrvalik

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    Jul 6, 2005
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    Are the 8 cylinder cars any easier / less costly or are they all about the same? Do the fender liners come out for engine access or is it mostly through the top? How well does the clutch / tranny hold up on most models. Cars like the 360 are too expensive for a toy for me. The models I'm most interested in are 348, 355, TR. How are the cabs? Do the tops seal well.. I'll mostly be driving in dry weather but getting caught in a shower is not out of the question. What is a good source for parts? How about stuff like window motors, switches, interior parts, etc?

    Thanks
    Bruce
     
  24. parkerfe

    parkerfe F1 World Champ

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    Out of the six Ferraris I have owned,(328GTS,400GT,TR,330GTC,348 Spider & BB512i) my 1986 TR was the most reliable and I drove it 30k+ miles in 3 years.It never left me stranded and other than a major service, oil changes, new tires and a clutch slave cylinder cost me very little to operate.
     
  25. XR4Tim

    XR4Tim Formula 3

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    All I can say is that the Mondial is a lot easier to work on than I expected. I had a Fiat X1/9 which was a pain to work on. I expected an 8-cylinder mid-engined Italian to be even worse, but an owner showed me how easy access is to most important parts on the engine. Nearly all repairs can be done engine-in. I was quite impressed.
     

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