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WHAT IS THIS DRAIN PLUG FOR?

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  1. steve meltzer

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    My car is a 1976 European dry sump car. I know the oil reservoir drain also houses the temperature sensor and there is clearly a female type socket head plug on the finned oil sump pan. But I can't figure out what this easily accessible plug does, or why it's there. Here's a picture. Thanks for taking my novice, ignorant question.

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  2. Steve Magnusson

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    Drain plug for the transfer gear section of the gearbox. Look at the figure in the "Lubricants and Liquids" of Section 1 of your OM -- it shows how the transfer gear lubricant area is above the main gearbox reservoir area so needs to be drained separately (even though they share the same lubricant). This is why F specifies to add some of the gear oil into the transfer gear fill plug (it can't be overfilled as any excess will just "waterfall" into the main reservoir area).
     
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    That is the drain plug for the drop down gear set/case. The drop down gear set takes the engine crankshaft output and turns it 180 degrees to feed into the underlying transmission gear set. There are passageways from the drop down gear case into the transmission sump. There is also a plug on the top of the drop down gear case. That hole (on top) serves as the fill hole for the transmission. There is another plug on the back of the transmission case that serves as the gear oil level check hole. When changing the gear oil, it is drained from both the plug in the bottom of the transmission sump as well as from the drop down gear case plug on the bottom. The transmission is then filled from the top of the drop down gear case until it begins to dribble from the hole in the back of the transmission case, which is then plugged. I even add maybe a cup more oil after that back plug is replaced.
     
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    WOW! More complicated than I expected! Thank you guys for the info and the schooling. Steve,
     
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    Since it appears to be leaking at that drain site, I'd like to fix it. What do you use to replenish and refill the gear oil? thanx again! steve
     
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    RIGHT-O! A picture is worth 1000 words! Thanks so much for posting this, and Steve M., and thank you for posting it years ago. Best. steve
     
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    It may be leaking because the plug is missing a copper crush washer. As far as what oil to use, I use Valvoline 80W-90 synthetic blend, which seems to work well for me. The topic of what gear oil to use has been discussed on this forum ad nauseam. You can do a forum search of the topic to help you come to a conclusion as to what oil to use. Whatever you decide, I guess the best bit of advice would be to use what seems to work best for you. That being said, modern oil formulations are likely a great deal superior to what was used in these cars when they were new. It's easy to overthink it.
     
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    Takes exactly 5 qts.
     
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    I strongly suggest 2 things.
    1. The location used by the vast majority of people servicing these is the hole in the back. Its a matter of convenience if you have the car on a hoist. Its a cleaner, neater, easier, faster way to do it. You can add a small amount at the top plug for the transfer gears. It takes forever and is messy to fill from the top. It was never intended to be done that way.
    2. Never intentionally overfill. We discovered decades ago that led to excessive leakage. We assumed it was related to insufficient breathing of the overfilled transaxle. And if filled with rear of car on jack stands and front wheels on the ground it will overfill.
     
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    Hey Brian, Thanx for the advice. So, you just fill the ribbed sump from the side plug, right? If I understand this correctly, since the gear lube was changed 3 years ago, I can fix my leaking reservoir Cu crush washer by simply removing that leaking plug. I should get just a little fluid, notta torrent. Reseal and add just a small amount. To get it right, the car must be level right? s
     
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    Oh yeah, Brian, I'm having pizza Sunday nite with our mutual friend, Carl Rose. Superb physician, great guy. steve
     
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    I was speaking of filling the transmission. If it is not being drained, yes you can just pull and reseal the plug you asked about and reinstall a like amount of oil to the top of the transfer gear case. When running, the inside of a transmission looks like a blender inside. It will distribute the oil equitably.
     
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    Brian, Thanx again. s
     
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    I assume the layout and filling method is the same for 328 from 1986?
     
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    Yes, same on all 308/328 and many other F models that have transfer gears between the engine output and gearbox input.
     
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    I have not looked at the 328 but in mhy Dino I like to fill from top drop gear top plug
    This allows access to lubrication hole for top bearing behind top drop gear.
    I'm sure this is not necessary but I feel better
     

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