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What it the most underserved market for a road course?

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  1. Andog62

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    #1 Andog62, Feb 18, 2009
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    Curious to what people across the US think is the most underserved market in need of a road course? Excluding use for a spectator event, a facility targeted to the club or private individual. I say LA, Phoenix and Tampa/Orlando. Demand, population and growth. Ex track manager here, it is amazing the number of proposed courses that were on the drawing board this past year. I have to say most have fallen to the wayside.
     
  2. henryr

    henryr Two Time F1 World Champ
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    for a country club track ? ATLANTA (or within an hour or so drive). a group is trying to get one built it dawsonville. good luck them getting it zoned. my biased opinion.
     
  3. mousecatcher

    mousecatcher Formula 3

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    interesting question, and would require knowledge of the entire US really to give a qualified answer.

    since i am in nor cal, i will have to say ... northern california. :)

    lots of money, lots of exotics (ferrari's are not exactly rare around here), and we have the largest SCCA region, good (enough) weather year-round.
     
  4. Andog62

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  5. henryr

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    #5 henryr, Feb 18, 2009
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    that's the track in dawsonville i mentioned. i thought it didn't get approved for zoning. residents come out in force against these places.
     
  6. ProRallyCodriver

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    This weekend in Salem, MO is Rally of the 100 Acre Wood.

    http://www.rally-america.com/events/2009/100AW/

    40+ cars entered including Pastrana and Faust, both former ROC invitees.
     
  7. AustinMartin

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    Have you been to Los Angeles? We have tons of tracks!
     
  8. Seth Thomas

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    This is track is still up for zoning consideration. There are a people in the area that are against the track because they don't understand what they are wanting to do there. At the same time, this track is going on property that is within the city limits of Dawsonville. This make sit up to the city council to approve the zoning. The current property where they are wanting to zone the Race Track is close to a private airport. It is also close to a NASCAR engine builders family property and engine building facilities. With the current zoning around the area and some insight to what some of the people of influence of Dawsonville have envisioned for this area I think it will pass. I don't think the idea of Atlanta having a Motorsports Park is that bad or far fetched of an idea.

    Oh and this track is 15 minutes away from my house!
     
  9. mousecatcher

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    you misread the post. he is asking specifically about a country club.
     
  10. code red

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    Southern California... huge market, perfect weather, zero motorsport country clubs. Excellent opportunity for someone who can pull it off.
     
  11. gatorgreg

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    SW Florida. There are more Ferrari's in SW Florida ( Marco Island to Sarasota) then the entire state of Florida. You just don't see them. These owners are under served and more likely to join a club.
     
  12. John Se

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    In the phoenix area we had the AZ Motorsports Park, just off the end of the Runway at LUKE air force base, the worlds busiest training base because of the weather. It got shut down, because someone could hear a car a mile away on a cool summer evening. Although they did mis represent themselves with their permit. The next best spot would be an indian reservation (Like Firebird Raceway), they pretty much say screw you to everybody, we can do what we want. Always political of course. the indians have lots of clear bare land.
     
  13. tuttebenne

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    My biased opinion is New York City. There are three tracks within a three hour drive but none within two hours. I was spoiled when we had Bridgehampton here on Long Island.
     
  14. dretceterini

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    PIR here in Portland, Oregon is an excellent track, but over the last few years, has been vastly underused..
     
  15. fire_n_ice

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    I'm assuming you know about Monticello Motor Club, near the Catskills, about 90 min from the city.
     
  16. cheddah

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    Hi Seth, I'm trying to get a sales job at the AMP. Wish me luck :)They said check back in about 7-8 months, in the meantime they wanted me to post this:



    DAWSONVILLE COUNCIL APPROVES FULL ZONING ATLANTA MOTORSPORTS PARK



    Atlanta Motorsports Park is a Country Club for fast/exotic cars, bikes and karts



    We are pleased to announce zoning for Atlanta Motorsports Park has been fully approved and the construction phase of the facility is about to begin. We are thankful to the city, county and citizens of Dawsonville for welcoming us.



    Memberships have continued to sell at a brisk pace which has been very satisfying given the tough economic conditions.



    Starting on April 24th the preconstruction pricing levels will no longer be available and some of the extra amenities/options that come with the packages currently will also no longer be included in the packages (e.g. Karting memberships will be sold separate).



    There were only 25 memberships at each of the three levels (Diamond, Platinum, Tungsten) initially offered as Founding Memberships and the few remaining will sell out quickly. (We sold nearly $300,000 in memberships in a little over 30 days.)



    This week is your last chance to become one of the charter “Founding Members” of an elite club unlike any other. Founding members will have input in the design phase of AMP and receive recognition on the walls of the member club house and a plaque to bring home.



    Course Highlights



    The Dawsonville property will be developed into a Green or Sustainable (The only sustainable motorsports park in the world) private motorsports country club where members can drive their high-performance automobiles, racecars, motorcycles and karts on specially designed driving courses. The current site plan also calls for a members-only lounge, a 10,000-square-foot clubhouse with lockers and shower facilities, workout facility, a pool and hiking trails.



    Highlights of the facility will include:

    · Nearly three miles of high-performance road course

    · Two straight-aways nearly 2,000 feet each

    · More than 120 feet of elevation change

    · 15 possible road course configurations

    · Flexibility to operate three separate driving courses simultaneously

    · Members will be able to participate in performance driving their cars or superbikes, supercar rentals, safe driver education programs and karting



    Celebrity Founding Members Already on Board; Members Sales Gear Up



    Several high-profile celebrities became founding members, even before the plans were approved, including actor Patrick Dempsey, Atlanta Braves Chipper Jones, Atlanta Falcons Michael Jenkins, road racing champions Jack Baldwin and David Murry, plus the SPEED Channel’s Bob Varsha. Mr. Varsha will also serve as the “voice” of AMP as well as AMP spokesperson.



    “These and our other founding members have had faith in the team and business from the beginning,” Porter said.



    Sponsors, Vendors Selected



    Contractors and strategic partners have already been selected in anticipation of the approval. They include the famed Tilke Architects Formula 1 track designers for the architecture and driving course design; RK Redding Construction for build-out; CW Matthews for the track paving; TS Racing as the karting retail sales; Global Marketing Giants Ignition Inc. & i3 Worldwide LLC as the sales and marketing team; Driving Impressions will be AMP’s sole racing apparel retailer; and SunTrust Bank as the official banking partner.



    For more information, visit www.AtlantaMotorsportsPark.com or call 678-513-FAST (3278).
     
  17. GregD

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    I agree. More than one though. I'd like to see something just over the hill in the San Fernando Valley.
    Must have a frwy offramp onto or very close to the facility.
     

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