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  1. bret h

    bret h Rookie

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    as in earlier post i told of how car sat for 3-1/2 yrs. with all of your help i've change belts and hoses, put back together and turned the key and the engine turned smoothly. but the fuel pump is not working took test light and the lead at pump is not hot. checked fuses and they are good . now i can do the mechanical stuff but i'll need talking too for the electrical part and maybe some pictures also. i'm only dumb if i don't ask. by the way i'm almost out of tequila so hurry! thanks as always most of us couldn't do it without guy's like all of you. 80 308 gtsi
     
  2. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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    #2 Steve Magnusson, Aug 26, 2008
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    Do a search on "blue safety switch" -- should get you 29 threads that will give information about how to test the electrical power food chain to the K-Jet fuel pump.

    Although, if the airflow metering plate only moves ~3/8" with no fuel pressure present, as you reported earlier, you might have bigger problems. K-Jet systems do not take long disuse periods well -- too many very small clearance/fits/openings that can get gummed up by fuel varnish/crud. But get the electrical working first, maybe with some use things may flush out/clean-up - if not, you'll be meeting Larry Fletcher (fletch62).
     
  3. bret h

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    ok got metering plate to move down was stuck cleaned with carb cleaner works smooth now. however the pump is siezed soaking it now. was looking for replacement and napa has the bosch for 269. is that the one you'd replace with are is there another.
     
  4. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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    #4 Steve Magnusson, Aug 26, 2008
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    So are you now saying that the fuel pump electrics are actually OK (i.e., you've got +12V at the fuel pump when you should) and that the pump is seized?

    The stock F K/KE-Jet fuel pumps are Bosch so no problem with who you buy it from, but if your old one is the stock 308i-2V fuel pump (the one with the internal check valve) I'm surprised that NAPA says that they can get it (but if they can, that would be fine). Or maybe your fuel pump and fuel lines were already updated to the later version Bosch fuel pump (with the external check valve) so that pump would be easier to match. If you do a search on "internal external check valve" that should get you some threads explaining the differences between the two Bosch fuel pump types (internal check valve vs external check valve) and the fuel line changes that are needed to use the external check valve type pump. Post #17 by Paul Newman in this thread:

    http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=189796

    has some good pictures showing the differences when he made the change in pump types on his 512BBi (your old fuel lines might not be exactly the same shape, but the end connection issues where the line attaches to the check valve will be the same).

    Do you have the 10-digit Bosch PN stamped into the case of your "bad" pump?
     
  5. bret h

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    you are correct i have 12v at pump. the 10 digits are 0580254975. thank you for the help, also got the pump free but had that hot start problem so just assume the check valve is bad because when i fill it up it leaks out the other end
     
  6. Steve Magnusson

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    #6 Steve Magnusson, Aug 26, 2008
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    That Bosch PN is the internal check valve type pump, and they (Bosch) must be making them again because it's also available here:

    www.importeccatalog.com (just type in that 10-digit Bosch PN in the search box and you'll get a jpeg to view/compare)

    for $239 -- and it wasn't available from importec a few years ago IIRC.

    The check valve is meant to prevent fuel from leaking back into the pump when under pressure, but I agree with your diagnosis -- if the check valve is letting fuel flow out of the pump at near-zero pressure, it must need replacement (which means getting a whole new pump because the internal check valve is not replaceable).

    May you have continued good luck with your resurrection! ;)
     
  7. msouza

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  8. Steve Magnusson

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    That is an excellent price, but that is the type with the external check valve (so would require fuel line changes to the banjo fitting too).
     
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  10. bret h

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    ok new fuel pump in working fine. when it runs theres a load vibration in the injector lines. tried to crank it nothing just turns over. pulled a plug turned it over the plug fires. read a post that said if the battery was a little weak it won't start so put a new optima in and still nothing. sprayed a little starting fluid in throtle body tried and nothing. gustav will be here monday or tuesday so with this darn contraflow traffic coming through town i've got nothing to do.
     
  11. bret h

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    OK NOW I TOOK FUSE OUT FOR PUMP SPRAYED STARTING FLUID IN THROTLE BODY AND SHE CRANK UP PUT FUSE BACK IN AND NOTHING AGAIN. BY THE WAY I PULLED THE INJECTORS AND CLEANED THEM. CAN'T GET NEW ONE'S TILL STORM PASSES
     
  12. bowbells

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    IF, you have spark and fuel and compression at the right times it should try to run at least. One or more is either missing or at the wrong moment. The best procedure is to go back to basics. Confirm cam timing, check compression. then install fresh plugs, leave the pump fuse out, spray a little starter fluid into plenum, hopefully you will get a brief run period. that would confirm a fueling issue, but you must go back to basics, i revive several cars a year for folks, it's not a hard process when taken 1 step at a time.
     

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