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What Should Ohm Reading Be?

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  1. Lawrence Coppari

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    #1 Lawrence Coppari, Sep 26, 2013
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    I noticed I am getting no spark at number 1 plug with engine running. I removed the distributor and am attempting to measure the resistance of my plug wires - extenders are good. When I put one lead on the end of the extender and the other at the appropriate contact point in the distributor I get infinite resistance. The wire from the coil to the distributor reads about 800 ohms. Should I be removing the leads from the distributor cap to make the measurements because the contact points themselves don't appear to be conductors? And how many ohms per foot should I be reading? Thanks.

    OK, 700 ohms/foot found it on a search. But what about measuring them? Do I remove wires from distributor cap?
     
  2. MNExotics

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    You're fine estimating the length and calculating off that. There should be no resistance in the cap terminals or extenders so you do not need to remove them
     
  3. Steve Magnusson

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    Only if you want to measure just the wire itself. First, remove the wire from the cap, cut off ~1/4", and then repierce the wire with the pointed retaining screw. Then make the resistance measurement for the whole food chain (from the contact inside the cap to the clip at the end of the extender. If still no good, then measure the individual components. The surface of the contacts inside the cap can get oxidized so you might need to "dig" the meter probe into the contact material a little bit, or file off a clean place (in a non-functional area) to touch the probe.
     
  4. Lawrence Coppari

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    Good grief. I cut off the 1/4 inch at distributor end and I still get infinite resistance when I put the probe directly on the end of the cut off lead with the other on the extender. Worse than that, two more leads show infinite resistance between the scratched screw head in the cap and the end of the extender. Only one gives me a reading, #4 the shortest, which reads about 5K ohms. I guess I must conclude my original equipment leads are shot. I wonder how the engine could still run.
     
  5. luckydynes

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    I found the screw in the distributors that holds the wire and makes contact didn't always make a good contact when measured with an ohm meter ... but she still seemed like she was running/firing on all 8. It made me worry about removing the caps and disturbing the connections if/when I would have a continuity reading. I think the material of the conductor and the diameter of the wire effect the connection. The smaller wires from the factory work better I figured because they can shove the wire to the side and the pin/screw will make better connection ... maybe? It seemed like if it pierced the very center of the wire I'd have the intermittent connection. I played with them on the bench and they just seemed really finnicky ... my .02
     
  6. Iain

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    Because the wires break inside but the spark will jump the gap, so the engine will still run - but as you would expect performance then deteriorates over time & eventually it will mis-fire

    Before I changed mine (for new OEM wires) I measured the old ones 2 or 3 times & they came in between about 700 & 1150 depending on lead length - and they really didn't change over time. I measured the brand new set & they were basically the same.

    Within 6 months of the previous test on the old wires I had them off again to find that 3 of them had broken in the intervening period. It seems that once they start to go the can all go fairly quickly.
     
  7. luckydynes

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    I always found this to be due to the connection in the cap and not a break in the actual wire .... whenever I removed a wire and just tested the conuctor from end to end it was fine ... .02 more :) ... edit: then installed coil on plugs 6 years ago and stopped worrying about it :)
     
  8. Lawrence Coppari

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    #8 Lawrence Coppari, Sep 26, 2013
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    And this is the rear bank only that I've checked. OK, so it is time for new wires. Should I bite the bullet and buy OE wires or should I make some up? If I make some up using resistance type of leads, will I be able to reuse the red covering as well as the old red ends that cap off the spark plug recesses? I think I recall reading a month or so ago on Fchat about reusing the red covering but cannot locate the post.

    Edit: Well, I've made up my mind. I'm going this route: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/308-328/267698-$500-spark-plug-wires.html
     
  9. Iain

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    I tested them out of the caps to check that, then shortened them a little & checked again, they were broken.

    I automatically test them end-end from the cap to the end of the extender now whenever I take a cap off.
     
  10. conan

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    Looking carefully at the end of the wire, it is actually wound around a non-conductive core. If you try and measure at the core, you will get infinite resistance. Also, the wire may be coated or oxidized, I can't remember, so you have to scratch the surface of the thin wire to be able to get a reading.

    But don't be too alarmed about bad conduction. The spark will get through even if there is no direct metal-to-metal connection. I usually think, as a guideline in air, 1mm/kV. If the gap is larger than that, the spark might not happen. In case there is an isolator in between the two metal surfaces, the gap has to be much smaller, of course.

    As an example in air - if I have 6kV across a gap of 6mm - then I will probably get a spark. If I have 10mm - I will not get a spark. With 1mm, the spark is guaranteed.
     
  11. Lawrence Coppari

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    Thanks for info. I cut a little off the distributor end of one wire which would expose the unoxidized ends of the fine wires. I get infinite ohms on 2 leads (cut off end included), about 5K on the third and something in the millions on the fourth. Three of the wires were sparking because I pulled the wire off the plug with the engine running and could see sparks jumping off the end of the extender to the wall of the plug recess. I put two layers of 3M heat shrink fit on all the extenders because one of the extenders was sparking out its side in two places rather than the end. The 1 inch heat shrink insulator went on very neatly and moved the sparking from the side to the end of the extender.
     
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    I don't know what 3M heat shrink is capable of, but I just wanted to mention that I used polyimide tape (such as Kapton from DuPont) to insulate my electrostatic speaker panels. The voltage in these speakers are much lower than in an ignition system, but the tape is very capable, in the region of 300kV/mm in dielectric strength. I guess you should have at least 60kV strength to be on the safe side, which would suggest 0.2mm thick tape.
     
  13. Lawrence Coppari

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    One last question. I'm about to order the wires recommended on www.ferrarichat.com/forum/308-328/267698-$500-spark-plug-wires.html
    I called the seller and found out the resistance of the wires is 350 ohms/foot which is half of the number mentioned above and in other places on Fchat. Is it ok to use wires with this resistance? I have resistor plugs. If I did not have resistor plugs, would it still be ok?
     
  14. conan

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    The resistance is DC-measured, I assume. It does not say much about the performance of the wire. It does tell you that a low-resistance wire might have fewer turns (wound wire around a core) than a wire with higher resistance.

    To be sure what to order, there should be a kind of "spark energy" comparison chart ... but I don't know if this exists.

    In general, a straight wire with low resistance would be nice to produce a high-energy spark, but the downside of this would be a completely ruined radio reception or inoperable electronic ignition system. Things might not break - but just temporarily fail to operate with the wrong spark wires.
     

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