What to look for when buying a older 360 or 430?

Obviously a spoof thread !

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If you have the money to be buying/waiting for a Cali and 458, why don't you buy a 2009 430(the last model year) Some examples can be found with triple digit miles and will come with a warranty. Then you won't have to worry about anything.

You don'y necessarily have to use the search function, there are about 2-3 threads each on the first two pages in this section that can answer your questions thoroughly.

 

So you 'found' the belts on the 430 need to be replaced every 3 years/30K miles? On THIS site? I'd get a new handle, cut the Cali/458 crap, and start from scratch... by SEARCHING. Good luck.

 

I am also in the hunt for a F430 after abandoning the thought of a California due to the $200K price tag for the California and the $150-170K price for the faster and decidely sexier and meaner-looking but discontinued F430. I did a few search on this site and recall a pretty good thread discussing one owner's cost to date of an earlier (05-06?) F430.

Some things I'm looking for are the manifold heads, don't want cracks or leaks. I also want to examine the brake pad wear (for the ceramics of which all F430s had from 2008-2009 and optional on older F430s) and clutch wear on the F1 models, but I post I read a few days ago suggest that the clutch wear is not really reliable during the PPI. My impression of costs will be $1000-$2000 per year, alternating depending the service required. Tires seem to wear heavily on these cars with the board's drivers. (My Porsche has 16K on the factory original but now ratty and in need of a change Michelin PS2 fronts and about 5K on the PS2 rears). Clutches seems to be about $10K, major services seem to be about $3000-4000.

Hile miles seems to be artificially set at 10K miles. For a 2008 or 2009, I am trying to pin it down to 1500-5000 miles as good ranges for me, not for the mechanics, but more so for the wear and tear of the interior. For some reason, the black leathers of low mile Ferraris (less than 10k miles) wear so much more compared to the black leather of my Porsche 997 with 16K miles on the clock. In fact, the worst wear and tear of my black 997's interior is the shine on my steering wheel's leather rather than on my seat bolsters (I have the "comfort" package with the ruffled soft leather).

Must have options varies but since they're all used, you're stuck with whatever it comes with. Again, the ceramic brakes were optional until 2008 after which it became standard. I have rarely seen the standard seats in a F430, with the Daytonas being more of the norm, so it seems to be a ''must have'' option. Contrasting stitches seems to be popular, I believe it was a $1000 option. Leather over the back fire wall was an option. I think the high output stereo system was an option but not sure on that one. Fire extinguishers were an option but I have seen it on only a few F430, but very common in the Scuderia. Carbon bits in the interior are options. I think there are several grades of carbon bits. The most common are dash board carbon overlays of the AC ducts and stereo pod. The steering wheel and paddles are another level of option in Carbon which I really like. The carbon steering wheen has that cool red stripe on the 12 o'clock position which is very race-car like. Unfortunately, I think only the Scuderia has the LEDs on the steering wheel like your California. Carbon rear grill is an option, I think it's the Challenge or Scuderia option. I suspect the Scuderia Ferrari shields on the side fenders are an option as well, but I can't recall seeing a F430 without shields. There are two wheel options, the Enzo five double spoke version which is the launch version and the Challenge wheel, which I really like. Convertible top is a big option. F1 vs manual transmission is another option, but there are literally hundreds of threads about this debate. My take on this is that there are at least 20 F1 cars to every 6M F430, so the F1 car gives you more cars to choose from and therefore to pick the best condition, etc. I love the 6M but will probably get a F1 just because of this factor. Color combination is the ultimate option, with rosso commanding a small premium over non-standard colors. I prefer black myself.

As far as non-factory options, I always insist on 3M clear front wrap after my Porsche received a complementary set waaaay back in 2005. For low slung cars like Porsches and Ferraris, rock chips will ruin the front end without a nice wrap.

 

This will get you started

http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=264519&highlight=maintenance

http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=304703&highlight=maintenance

http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=288160&highlight=maintenance

 

ouch!

 

Great looking Cali! You just have to understand that sometimes when threads are started on here by users with few posts the credibility aspect is uncertain. I know you shouldn't have to prove anything but sometimes it does take a picture or two. Off that subject for now.

If I were you I'd go for the 430. Although they are still dropping a bit I think the Cali sets a benchmark for you in performance that may take a modified 360 to get to, which will obviously cost more and thin the gap between purchase prices. The 430 is a phenomenal car and won't disappoint, even though the Cali has some newer tech bits. If you haven't already, I suggest driving them both and decide after (i know it seems obvious but its always true). My presumption is that even without driving the 430, the 360 will seem dated to you being that you own one of the latest cars they make. Its still a beautiful car but I don't know if its what your looking for. I opted for the 430 and hope to acquire the 458 in the near future.

Hope this helps.

 

I just wonder if you'll enjoy driving the 430 once you get behind the wheel of your 458? Then again...some say the 458 is too refined and the 360 and 430 have a more raw feel. This is kind of funny because I think that has been the prevailing crticism of virtually every new Ferrari model from the 308 QV on -- too refined. So maybe you should consider a 58 TR...

 

That California looks like a black on black. I hope this doesn't mean that you're looking for a blk/blk 430 because that's what I'm looking for and I'm hoping to pick one up this summer after I move back to California. I don't want any competition.

On the other hand, if you buy before me, then maybe you can give me the leads on some nice blk/blk 430 coupes. I found about 3 that I like but I can't buy one right now because of the cash flow problem after buying a house in California in December. I frequent dupontregistry and cars.com on a near daily basis to look at prices and options.