I came to a stop and could not shift. The F1 pump would not engage gears. I have some options: 1. Rebuild the existing F1 pump for roughly $1100 2. Replace with 360Pump and Update the flange for $2200 What are your thoughts? Damn, I wish I had this car home in my garage and I can fix all this myself. Boaf
I did, they did. now this. I am not a happy camper, but my gut told me before that it should not be as simple as a leaking actuator, triple seals and clutch.
I am going to ship the car back to PA. But it is at the shop now. Your questions? I appreciate your help. Boaf
It's there now. I was very happy with the repairs. The car shifted well, the pump would prime in 1 or 2 flashes (wholly crap) every time. These guys are pretty good. I don't know if you can detect (project) this failure. I would not mind keeping it original, but want it to last. What do you think? Boaf
I think I'm confused... Bob - I'm having a hard time following all the events and threads you have created on this issue (ongoing issues) Maybe I'm recalling this wrong but I thought you had already replaced the F1 pump motor with one of Juri's motors. I'm totally lost with what's going on...
I replaced the motor Part number (that was the place I purchased the car). The pump (my limited understanding) is not the same as the motor? Here is what was supplied to F1 Motorsports: a. When shifting with the paddles, the clutch does not always engage. The RPMs would go higher and then suddenly drop when the clutch engages with a thud. Sometimes, it works fine, but 20% of the time it does not and it seems to be increasing progressively. This was the triple seal failure.... b. When arriving after a 30 minute drive back to my home, the Paddle light (far right warning light) flashed on and chimed, then it went off. This is what I thought was the pump failure....not the motor. Again my thought that something else was going on. c. Some work has been done on the F1 system, electric motor was replaced Part number: 404.380.12V 21.502. That was replaced when I lost the ability to select any gear. This was replaced....that part number at the location where I purchased the car. I hope that clears it. Thanks brother. Bob
OK. There are two parts ot the F1 hydrailic system. 1. Electric motor 2. The pump assy. You can, and most do, replace the electric motor. The pump assy rarely fails. It sounds like they did that with your. The transmission warning light is on the Left Hand side of the dash lights...not the right. You cross that up in the description, or is that the area the warning light came from?
Bob - an electric motor turns the pump to make hydraulic pressure. But, the hydraulic system is much more than the pump assembly - the power unit (pump assembly) contains the motor, the pump, fluid reservoir, pressure regulator, accumulator and solenoid values. The power unit supplies the hydraulic fluid to the actuator that makes the gear changes. I'm still a bit confused with all the history and I don't quite understand your question in this thread. What is F1 telling you right now? (assuming they have diagnosed this and have answers)
They said there is a blown fuse and an internal pump failure. They said they can disassemble and "repair brush holder". I am assuming that is the internal part of the pump that pushes the actuator or the shifting. Sound right? Bob
No. I believe they are referring to the brushes of the electric motor. Did you install Juri's pump motor that we previously spoke about? If you have a new pump motor - the brushes should not be shot unless you have some other electrical issue. As far as shifting, hydraulic fluid moves pistons within the actuator that move the gear box input shaft (shift shaft)
Gotcha. I need to go down and talk to them. This is really getting so fn ridiculous. Florida is just not the best place to own a Ferrari unless you can fix it yourself or live within 20 minutes of a true dealership! So the brushes are the motor? Damn retailers... The motor I replaced lasted 4 months... I will go to Juri next time. Just need to have access to my tools! Bob
Bob - there are plenty of good techs in FL and I know several. With respect, before you even think about messing with an F1 system you need to have a full understanding how it works (how hydraulic systems work). And, you also are very limited without an SD which is one of the reasons I bought one.
As Dave states, the brushes are what gives up in the electric motor that drives the hydraulic pump. Getting to them takes some effort (at least on the 360 version) The pump assy itself should not be bad. In theory, it can be and over a loooong time it may wear out, but I find it highly unlikely the actual pump is bad. The fuse / relay going bad with a new electric motor driving the pump is not all that surprising. If you switched to a new motor from Juri, you need to change both to higher rated units. I am going to ask because you should ask your mechanics. They do have an SD computer, right? Given the stuff they are messing with it would be nice to have all recentered and checked once completed.
As previously stated you either need to really educate yourself on the system, or take it in. I will restate what others have allready said. Electric motor turns pump, pump pressures up system, electrics are used to actuate solenoids and actuator on transmission. Electrics have relays, fuses. When you have a system that is in question without an sd or leonardo, or gallileo, it would be difficult to kniw which part has failed. The loght flashing could mean many things but as stated usually it is the motor. A sign of that on your car is it blew the fuse or relay. Cheap fixes for starters, buy relay from yuri, replace fuses, buy motor from yuri. Nit had to replace any of these just with floor jacks but if you are not that mechanical just take it to a shop. Everyones mechanical ability is not the same and I hate for you to cause other problems by not understanding the system or replacing parts that are not needed.
Watson and Dave are the winners. Brushes are gone (more accurately, the plastic mounts that hold them). Agree Taz, a man has to know his limitations (Eastwood). This is a learning curve and I'll get there when the car is back in PA and I can do the repairs and diagnosis (and mistakes) myself. That's how we learn. Boaf
