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What's so special?

Discussion in '348/355' started by J-McFly, Jun 10, 2023.

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  1. Julia

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    Whooooaaaaa.... how is it possible that someone doesn't think it's beautiful?
     
  2. rob lay

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    I'll answer without looking at any other responses yet.

    Based on your generation I could understand "not getting it" if around 40 or younger. You might not appreciate the classic qualities like the manual, hand built parts, lack of computers, and lack of driver nanny's like older generations.
    • as you indicated, a 5-valve 355 with a Tubi is consistently voted as one of the best sounding Ferraris of all time next to only a side draft 365 GTC/4.
    • the 355 is of a generation before the driver nanny's took over and the factory hadn't caught on yet that Ferrari drivers generally aren't great drivers, so no understeering soft crap! you have to DRIVE them and they're at their best when you do get them at those limits.
    • not everyone has to like the 355 design, but I think most will agree there is no question it is a Ferrari. all exotics are looking too much the same now. I personally love the 355 Spider design, I'm 50-50 whether it looks better with top up or down.
    • like the performance aspects, the 6-speed at low speeds is clank-clank, to appreciate it you need to track both the S2000 and 355 for a hard 30 minute session. You'll then get it that the Ferrari transmission is race inspired, not a grocery getter. Pedestrian manuals become a mush box under hard rowing, the Ferrari 6-speed goes from clank-clank to click-click at temps that could sear a steak.
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  3. johnk...

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    Julia, did you miss,

    :);)
     
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  4. ShineKen

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    6500 doesn’t count John.
     
  5. Julia

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    Heeheehee. It's fine. John likes his anyway, and I fully support that.
     
  6. J-McFly

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    P Barron would be fun! I'm in a straight 36 Bonanza. We used to have a Mooney M20E. When we learned we were having a second kid, another mother asked my wife if we were getting a minivan. She told her no, we bought a bigger plane. It's out family trip mobile. We love it.

    Rob, I'm 39. Maybe it is my age. I dunno.

    I'll keep it thu this year and see if it grows on me. I found a local shop that knows these cars. Having a good independent 20 mins away is much better that I feared initially looking at 75 mins away.
     
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  7. KevZep

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    I wish I was 39!!
    Good luck with your 355 journey, may it grow on you!
     
  8. 4respy

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    Shifting a 355 say compared to shifting a 997 is a joke..997 is addicting to shift . .There is a reason it rated low against the NSX and 993 for Gearbox In the Road & Track Comparison..I see why he makes the statement about rowing the Honda compared to the Ferrari..
     
  9. bobzdar

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    That makes no sense, at least the 993. I've driven a g50 equipped car before and it was nowhere near as good. I've never driven an nsx, but have driven other honda sports cars and they have good transmissions, sure, but all of them feel slightly rubbery and vague comparatively. I think a lot of it is not the trans, but the engine. It revs very quickly, much more quickly than a 993, nsx or any other contemporary sports car, so you can not shift sedately like you can in those cars, even at lower revs. You end up with a herky jerky mess, especially if you're afraid of the trans and are trying to be delicate (as most new owners or first time Ferrari drivers are). You have to treat it like a rifle bolt and slam it gear to gear, heel/toe on the downshifts and it's amazing. Drive it like a 993 and it will be a rough experience or you'll be doing a lot of clutch feathering. Probably why these things go through clutches so fast.
     
  10. johnk...

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    So my honest answer as to what makes the 355 special. Styling. It's was unique in it's time and has carried that forward. The engine. The exhaust note is, again, unique. Other than that I don't see much. Aren't those the 2 things the make you want a 355? Talk about handling and gated shifter. Really, every hear anyone say they bought a 355 because the love the transmission? Oh, and one other thing that is probably the most important. It's a FERRARI.

    So to summarize, it's pretty, it sounds like an F1 car, and it's a Ferrari. And I bet if you took away the last item it wouldn't seem so special. So what it really boils down to is that it's a Ferrari.
     
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  11. 308 GTB

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    Right, Pete, like this F355 Challenge at Lime Rock Park...


     
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  12. Johnnieblack115

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    This is all great to know. I try to shift with a good amount of mechanical sympathy and it has been tough. When driving spiritedly, I tend to shift more authoritatively and it is noticeably smoother but I always chalked that up to a throttle actuation thing/ this car is just hair getting flogged


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  13. rob

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    Could just need a gear selector alignment. I’ve driven different f cars some have shifted better than others. My Ferrari was set up perfectly before I bought it and it shifted perfectly even when cold going into second. I have found others that I have driven to be very notchy.
     
  14. Ferrarium

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    The GB oil you use plays a big role as well. I have used Amsoil severe gear for example that made it and awful experience to drive compared to what I use now.
     
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    #90 308 GTB, Jun 26, 2023
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    Yes it does, Eric. Mobil 1 75W90 Synthetic Gearbox Oil in my Challenge car changed annually before the track season begins.
     
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    You pusher man. I’m too old for this ****. Hooligan.

    Damn, I always wanted to run Lime Rock. Oh well, there’s always YouTube.


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  17. SoCal1

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    I'd rather drive my old diesel pickup

    Or that Ducati multistrada is fun for sure but I'm 60 something ++
     
  18. 308 GTB

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    :D

    I thought that too, at first, when I dodged this exhaust tip that fell off the F430 Challenge I pointed by at Watkins Glen...







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    But then I quickly realized that my reflexes were sharp and it was just another day at the track.

    Age has nothing to do with it. :)
     
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    Holy crap, nice reflex reaction!! That missile could have caused some damage!!
     
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  20. 308 GTB

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    The first thing I did was flip down my face shield and then took evasive action. The exhaust tip bounced unpredictably and missed me by about three or four feet.

    Ferrari attached the tip with three poor spot welds.
     
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  21. RudyP

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    Every car has pros and cons. I am a big fan of my F355 but I prefer my 993 and 991.2 GT3 Touring from a driving feel point of view. But I also like the variety that it brings to my garage - it doesn’t have the instinctive handling, steering sharpness, tossable feel and harmonious/predictable rear end of the Porsches but the engine is glorious, it looks amazing and it has a whole bunch of quirky charm that I appreciate in contrast to the others precisely because it is imperfect. The gated shifter, weird driving position, pop up headlights, ridiculously wide doors and sills, goofy gauge placement, green gauge lighting, complete lack of basic storage, etc… are all cool to me because they are so different… If you don’t go for those things (or your versions thereof) it may not be the right car.

    Oh and I’m a bit older at 45 and also a pilot although our family plane is a Mustang.
     
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    You’re brave!


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  23. EFerrari34

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    I would like the local of that sign please sir!


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  24. rob lay

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    Arkansas Ozarks - some of best driving roads in country great condition and little traffic.
     
  25. J-McFly

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    Rudy,

    Appreciate your perspective. I'm trying to enjoy it more. And I'm telling myself, for roughly 25 years old, it's really quite a car. Maybe my expectations were for a 5-10 year old car.

    After I had my first exit last year, I considered burning jet A but now wife and I both don't work and don't have anywhere be at any certain time. Doesn't make the best use case for a jet but love the mustang, a great choice.
     

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