What's the deal with maranelloman?

Maybe we should have an F-Chat trial. Stone em, stone em, stone em, the crowd roars.

 

You rang? I think I can hear this case since Tmobileguy and Premier seem to have gone deep!
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Hi Rob-

I was surprised to see myself in this list. The only time I am off-key is when I percieve someone to be bashing someone else without cause or playing off someone's feelings or emotions.

The AF joke by MM sucked, the relentless Gentry bashing sucked, the CDAllen bashing sucked, the original Lamour jokes sucked (fine now), the Art bashing sucks and to an extent the Jimmy540 bashing sucks.

I stick up for the underdog, and for common decency- sometimes foolishly. If that's criminal, I'm glad I won your list.

Nick

 

OK

Here's my take on it.

Art can consistently sit here here and call people "Morons", or "weight challenged", or "mentally challenged", or some other witty select rude comment, and the mods, for whatever idiotic reason, look the other way. Maybe it's because the recipients don't run to the teacher and yell "foul" .

But God forbid call Art something similar in response and watch him run crying straight to the principals office. Kinda like his name suggests: "2000YELLOW360"

Sure, Art has some poignant contributions to this forum, as does MM. But at the same time Art's adding his cute little digs directed toward a few members of Fchat because he disagrees with their POV, is immature and pathetic, but he doesn't get banned for it.

MM is a well respected, charitable, family loving man who despises people (as I do) like the aforementioned.

 

Rob, I wasn't trying to get on anyone's bad side. When I started posting I had not read all of the rules and I did not know what flamming was? As I said this is the first chatroom I have ever been too. I will no longer participate in any childish behavior.

 

Its always going to be a struggle of too much or too little moderation.

Two years ago, I think the community was a lot more self policing. One downside of the community growing this large is that some people will earn temp bans. You can't avoid it.

You can institute a rule that you are temp banned for making the smallest of insults.

But you can't block someone from challenging the opinion of someone else even if it makes one or both look like an idiot. You can see my post in the CHP thread as an example.

We've all done stupid stuff before. Some people feel the need to start a thread and bring attention to it. Do you expect everyone to answer, thats too bad, now you know better's, and best of luck next time? I call a spade a spade. I stand guilty as charged.

What gets under my virtual skin is when someone (usually the same people) takes extra special steps to climb up the pillar of moral superiority when they are in the wrong. Not on my watch.

Sunny

 

I do not encourage bad conduct, let alone threatening other users. But, unless i'm missing something (and i may be), the pissing contest between ARt and Dave is so well entrenched that, unless dave overtly and physically threatened Art, I can't see that anything either one could say to the other would rise above the level of the 'ambient noise' of their usual banter. I'd be happy to stop protesting on Dave's behalf if there was an overt physical threat. As to name calling, and personal attacks, that's business as usual on P & R, and is probably one of its many attractions.

 

All true in a perfect world...where a double standard doesnt exist.

DL

 

to be fair there is like 10 times the number of conservitives on here so if he wants to keep the fight going he has to work 10 times as hard

 

WOW, A MIRACLE, ANOTHER MELTDOWN AND IM NOT PART OF...........

 

Rob.

One way to look at a problem is to view it like an employer would.

You have two guys working in the shop. One nags (Employee A) the other (Employee B) constantly, eventually employee B gets tired and lashes out.

If you could only get rid of one employee, which one would it be? The instigator (employee A) who will no doubt find a new whipping boy if you fire employee B, or employee B for finally having had enough and reacting.

Get rid of the instigators, and in most cases, the problem goes away. And, it's not hard to tell who starts a problem here, is it?

I pretty much stay away from P&R becuase of the bickering, cheap shots, and general bad blood that exists there. Every once in a while, I jump in, try to make a point, and then leave just as quickly because no one wants to have an exchange, they want to have a hate fest.

Just my $.02, which is probably all it's worth.

Dave M.

 

What did I deaux ?

I actually "like" both guys. FWIW - I do not agree with Art on anything (politically). However I hope to meet Art soon. We are going to "avoid" talking politics though.


Whart is a hero. (Politically of course).

 

Fair enough.

Let's start withan easy one for the fchat self police.

Is it fair to sponsors when non-sponsors sell their competing wares on FerrariChat through their posts? How about is it fair to Rob, even if it's not competing with a sponsor?

It is reasonable to solicit business from fchatters as an unsubscribed or subscribed member, if you don't pay to be a sponsor?

Sponsors? What do you think? Offendors, what do you think?

I'm not talking about the occasional offer to help a fellow fchatter at cost, or providing sources to find stuff. I'm talking about folks who buy and sell cars, parts, real estate or junk bonds for that matter, who solicit, either in public or private, Fchat members.

Good, bad, ugly, don't care?

DM

For the record. I care. I think it hurts Rob's ability to get sponsors and keep them, and I think it cheapens their value. And ultimately, if this is going to stay an affordable place to visit, happy sponsors are our best bet.

And for what Rob charges for sponsors, I say pony up, or stop peddling your wares.

 

Rob:

My post did not condone MM's behavior nor do I question your decision - as a newbie I am not aware of the Art vs. Dave feud, just see the occasional posts by MM with off color joke or risque pictures. I am just surprised to see is a nice inividual (in peson) behave in such a way that would warrant being booted off a forum - there again anonimity of the web allows for certain freedoms that we would never allow ourselves in public! ... "Troll of the Year"...maybe it's time for him to change his License plate

 

Bill, as usual, makes a good point. Let's break this down:

1. Dave calls Art a name because Art called Dave a name because Dave called Art a name... After a while, this stuff becomes Muzak. It is like the A/C kicking on in the background. No one notices and no one cares.

2. So something must have happened for Ryan to ban Dave. I take it from your posts Rob that you were not involved. I don't know Ryan all that well, but I don't think that he would have done this without someone griping at him.

3. The conclusion is that somebody complained to Ryan about something that Dave posted about Art. At this point, it really doesn't matter who "female dogged." The point is what Ryan is supposed to do about any complaints. Under the current system, the consequences, if any, are his call, yes?

In other words, each Moderator gets to play God and has the power to punish anyone who steps over the line, in their opinion.

Perhaps this is a bit much to lay on just one person. Afterward, everyone should always keep the number-one F-Chat mantra in their head at all times, "The Ignore Button is your friend." If somebody really bugs you (and there are bound to be one or two), just Ignore them.

But if you can't stand it and jump back into the fray, why should it be up to a Moderator to decide when the banter crosses a line?

Just a thought.

 

The killer is, ARt is always the first one to ***** about suppressing free speech, etc. Just because Dave said he was evading taxes in California by failing to register his car there doesn't mean Dave is wrong- in fact, apart from the loose use of the word libel by ARt, truth is a defense.

Despite appearances, i am not taking sides here. I am usually the first to call the thought police. But, unless there's another thread that led to MM's banning, I think you took their usual banter and magnified it for the occasion. Sort of reminds me of that scene: "I am shocked, shocked to learn that gambling is going on in here."

 

Casablanca, right?

And it's too bad that Art and Dave can't just have exchanges of ideas and opinion instead of the name calling that is supposed to pass for intelligent discourse.

It's a self control issue, don't you think? Rise above, stick to issues, don't call each other names, LIKE YOU DID IN THIRD GRADE. Don't like a guy's point of view, take it apart with logic, not invective.

DM

 

So a Rossa guy selling Rossa guys a good deal, now and then is ok, but a subscribed member selling his stuff for profit to the Fchat public, even as a response to a post, is not?

DM

 

Wouldn't it be great if Rob could push a permanent "ignore " button for Art and MM so they could never see each others comments??

I'd really hate to see either leave as they truly enrich the board, just not at the same time.