What’s the latest on additional Pista allocations?

No where did Ferrari say it was the same motor. It could very well be....or they are allowing F8 interested buyers to assume its the same...

 

agree.....or do they not want to upset Pista buyers by confirming it's the same?

(Not that I think there's a reason for any Pista owner to be upset....I'd still take one over the F8, although frankly I prefer the F8's hood over the Pistas.)


Jim

 

There's an interesting articke about the F8 in the latest issue of TOFM; I read it rapidly but what I understood is that the F8 engine is derived from the Pista engine and not exactly the same due to ever changing emissions requirements. There is no word of it being less evolved though.

 

its not the same....

 

I was speaking with a West Coast dealer that was trying to get me to order a Lusso and i said the depreciation is a killer. He then offered a Pista allocation offset the deprecation if I order a Lusso (I already have a Pista on order) I asked, "thought no more Pista allocations?" he responded, true but the dealership has held back a few allocations they received some time ago for "special situations"

 

Same here. A friend just ordered his 2020 Pista this week straight at the dealership without any Ferrari history or having to buy additional cars. Seems like production is going well and fast in Italy.

 

I have a friend who just strolled into the local dealer here, no Ferrari history, only wanted to look, kick a few tyres, and was offered a Pista at a discount. Seems the Geneva stock has got out of hand.

 

You cannot be serious!

 

He's not. that is called sarcasm. It is obviously much easier to get a car in Europe compared to the US if you know the right people.

 

Switzerland?

 

Welllll, I get my nicely spec ‘ed 488 Spyder in two weeks and a beautifully over spec’ed (my fault) Pista (which I think is the prettiest Ferrari built in 30 years) in October. So , yeah, I’m feeling pretty damn special Rob!

 

Just to be clear Rob, are you somehow saying the Pista isn’t a “special” car compared to Ferrari’s other offerings? Have you actually seen one in person?

 

And you base that on??? So if 2500 cars are built world wide and only 1000 are brough state side that isn't rare? huh? So I guess the F40 isn't rare? "Rare" to me is " I haven't seen one in months on the road". You get caught up in the "rare must mean its sold below xxxx units" argument.

How many Pistas have you seen on the road? How many Speciales? How many Challenge Stradales? How many Ford GT's? I personally haven't seen ONE in the last 6 months on the road (besides mine of course). I would call that "rare". You can use your own definition of course but "rare" to me at least means you never see them except at car shows.

 

Ah! Ok now we are talking "economic rare". You are correct in this assumption as to ROI. But anyone knows that exotic cars are a terrible investment below the ones that cost 3 million each. Who buys a modern Ferrari for investment purposes anyway? Thats just a way to justify it to the significant other.....

 

By raising the prices on the Pista's Ferrari did seem to create a bit of a backlash from longtime Ferrari folks who couldn't or wouldn't pay the price. I completely understand why they would feel this way.

 

The ultimate "middle finger" to customers is the Porsche GT3RS (and IMO GT2RS) game. The frenzy around 991.1 3RS was insane. Last na GT3RS, bla bla bla and as we have seen all utter BS. At least Ferrari does not play Porsche games to the same degree.

 

I was offered a Pista at Starbucks yesterday ???????
Decided on just a flat white 2 sugars

 

When it comes to Pista, everyone has a friend with a good story.

Have you heard the new 3 being tested at the ring? Sounds like it has a whistle to me shack. So I think i'm on safe ground with both my 2 and 3 for a while yet. And at least with Porsche the customers know the score with the model cycles and what to expect when they part with the hard earned, unlike Ferrari who dropped an F8 on top of its 488 and Pista customers toes. I know it'll be another 7 years before the next Gt2 surfaces. Ferrari? Who knows what's next after their latest performance.....least of all what to believe?

Gotta be honest, as much as Pista is a great looking car - and im sure amazing to drive - who knows what will happen with that resale value wise. Production numbers are relevant as is the longevity of the performance credentials. Prior to F8, Pista was wearing the last of the non electric V8 turbo moniker - limited production blah blah. Word is Pista and F8's performance is much the same yet F8 is a lot cheaper and it wears that tag of being the last v8 non hybrid (for now). Imagine if there was an F8 Pista ....I mean how would you know now what to expect? I think the game has changed forever now and the market for these cars is only so big at this price point. Unfortunately, the more SV they make the less they will be worth used....goes without saying.

And with the current Pista allocations, If some are being now made available to those who didnt buy lusso or 488 it would only be because some of those customers yet to receive their Pista orders have switched to F8 - possibly also due to the changeover value of their 488's increasing substantially....again because of F8. That's my take on it.

 

Fact is Porsche made 6000+ GT3RS 991.1 and unlimited 3RS 991.2's are available. There are plenty 2RS's available too. Porsche "suckered" everyone and will do a 3RS 992 na as well. I for one will play a wait and see with them

 

I wouldn't say plenty. The few 2rs's that are currently available have been sitting for a while now at the current a$k and come about mainly due to the speculators recognizing their chances of making an earn is now zero in the present market conditions and are trying to get out with their shirt on....which will never happen now. These guys never had the money to begin with and only bought the car using finance - overstretching themselves financially thinking they were going to make a bomb. Now they are screwed. Good! Its actually not a bad thing to see the speculators take a hit - that way they may think twice next time instead of inflating the production numbers. Let's face it who in their right mind would even consider selling a 2rs if they bought it with intentions to own and use. No one. The car is simply too good to drive. The same is with Pista. Porsche and Ferrari saw the opportunity of making money out of the speculators and the legitimate owners unfortunately were made to pay a higher price to get what they really wanted. Let's just hope it doesn't continue.

And the Porsche buyers who got suckered were the ones who bought the car to sell instead of drive. The drivers never got suckered one bit. I know whatever I lose on my 2 and/ or 3 will be far less that what I lose on my 488 - and probably Pista - and I can at least put mileage on them and still have buyers lining up willing to buy them at good $ with 30,000kms plus on the odo. With a Ferrari, from what I can see with the used car odos is most must be too scared to use it because of the D factor - else what did they buy it for? To look at? Pose off in? Certainly doesn't appear to be much driving going on looking at most of the odos.

 

Shadow - you make some good points and while I don't agree on your Ferrari summary I do agree on speculators. Anyway Porsche have got caught out now and IMO volumes will take a hit as speculators will dry out. So good for people who want a car to drive and a GT Porsche specifically.

 

Porsche and Ferrari never got caught out. The buyers/speculators did. The volumes need to take a hit and production will eventually retreat in accordance with the speculators diminishing - either that the new prices will be less so more can afford to buy, use and hold. Something will have to give in Porsche and Ferrari HQ. The real market - not including speculators - willing to pay high prices to drive and hold is not nearly as big as the current production numbers.