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  1. MVDESQ

    MVDESQ Formula 3

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    My brother's 2014 235i has factory BMW wheel locks. He has to change the rear tire this week for lease return. The wheel lock key appears to be somewhat stripped but was able to get the other rear wheel off. He thinks the tire shop stripped it. He needs to get this lock off tomorrow and does not care if the lock is ruined. He will never put wheel locks on again. Not sure why he has them to begin with. Please advise.
     
  2. Entropy

    Entropy Formula 3
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    Had this issue with McGard custom wheel bolts a long time ago. Prior owner lost the "key". McGard was willing to work with me to get a replacement, but would have taken a week or two since 1) didn't have the key code and 2) to their credit, they wanted clear evidence that the vehicle was in fact legally mine.

    Someone here may have a more elegant solution to offer. In our case, we ended up taking it to a shop and drilling it out. Big drill, and probably $50 worth of bits. The sucker was torqued in there and - by design - not easy to loosen. We also risked breaking it, but we had broken bolt removal tools standing by.

    If "tomorrow" is the only option, and it's "stripped", I'd find a competent shop. I believe you're a lawyer, I'd draft up a release for the shop that they are not liable for any damage or additional costs incurred (I'd ask for one). It should not be hard to get it out, though I'd be cautious if they wheels are nice.

    Alternatively, if he's returning a leased vehicle, see what the lessor would charge you to just leave it on there and have them remove it...it's a BMW part and I assume returning to a BMW shop, and likely leased thru BMW Financial....if no joy, go the drill route.
     
  3. FiveLiterEater96

    FiveLiterEater96 Formula 3

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    It'll cost you a socket sometimes but I've always had good luck hammering a socket onto it and then backing it out with an impact. Don't use a hardened or impact specific socket but instead a regular one you would use for simple hand tools.
     
  4. cf355

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    #4 cf355, Dec 27, 2015
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    I agree....the local corner garage removed some mcguard locks in no time (I was not there to observe it but was told by the owner that it only took a half an hour).....when the lock key was misplaced.
     
  5. cf355

    cf355 F1 Rookie

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    my local bmw dealer has the wheel lock keys in stock in service for the late model cars. when my car went in for warranty service they never required my wheel lock key as they had their own. alternatively they could order a replacement lock key if necessary.
     
  6. MVDESQ

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    Yes the car is an in warranty BMW with factory BMW accessory wheel locks leased from BMWFS. I thought it'd be a no brainer. He says it is not a no brainer.

    First of all he decides to lease a new one and they make him do a pre turn in inspection. The company tells him all is well except rear tires must be replaced. 19" Michelin run flats. Not cheap plus mounting and balancing. He bought 2 used tires on eBay. Got one on but other won't come off due to stripped lock. Dealer won't help as they have a master key but will charge him to take it off since factory accessory and not part of the car.

    I told him to dump the car and switch brands. We take back our mb leases back every 24 months with nearly bald tires, damage and beat brakes and just walk away. I can't believe a company would hold him to wear and tear language for a repeat customer leasing a new one. Same happened to my friend they went under car with mirrors Etc and made him fix stuff. I would never lease like this. Lease is to avoid hassle. This is a super hassle or they just buy a new full blow tire, install etc and then bill him by mail full retail. Again I think he should just forget the new lease he has not yet signed.

    The wheels are the factory M sport 135is wheels. The selling dealer gave him the locks for free when he got the car and he thought it was a good idea. Until this weekend id never seen a wheel lock.

    Thanks for everyone's replies.


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  7. Entropy

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    So, how did this end up? did the wheel come off?

    hope it was not the typical end-lease fiasco.

    Just as a comment, as BMW and Audi have started seriously high-volume leasing, and running their own finance companies, the "lease-end" process has become more like an IRS audit; I've been through a few of them in the past couple years.

    Of course, "we" tend to take care of our cars, I've seen some lease returns where it was almost obvious the cars were abused, and one I think was actually semi-stripped (Costco house brand tires, Pep Boys discount battery, etc) - on a 2-year lease return. Hmmm. In that case, I can understand them being a bit more "rigorous" in the inspection process
     
  8. tbakowsky

    tbakowsky F1 World Champ
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    All BMW dealers have master wheel lock key sets. We also have them at the shop (yes you can buy the master sets but they are not cheap). If the dealer is charging extra for this service while the car is on site then they are ripping you off.

    If you need a replacement, they can be ordered. Each key has a number stamped in it, however, some don't. It will go by vin number. They can get you a key.
     
  9. up4speed

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    I saw a special socket at autozone that is designed to remove locking lug nuts.
     
  10. BigTex

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    Thieves just use a long cheater pipe and snap them off.....

    It can crack the wheel though, which might be a step in the wrong direction.
    Ruins the stud too, obviously....
     
  11. MVDESQ

    MVDESQ Formula 3

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    It turns out that the not only was the key stripped but so was the wheel lock. He and his coworker welded a bolt to the damaged wheel lock that was also nearly seized in there. Then the were able to just turn it out. Took 3 hours but they got the thing out with minimal damage to the wheel.
     
  12. BigTex

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    Good news!!
     

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