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When is Portland stopping the DEQ garbage & waste?

Discussion in 'Northwest' started by surfwolf, Feb 2, 2019.

  1. surfwolf

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    The DEQ exhaust check is a complete boondoggle on tax payer monies.
    1) Any car registered outside of PDX does NOT get tested or have to comply with emissions standards. BUT all vehicles are allowed to drive anywhere!
    So absolutely no effect in air quality related to this antiquated program!
    2) Washington state has eliminated the program in 2019. Reason = not needed & inefficient use of public funds, along with no correlation to air quality!

    So why is this forced to continue when you can register any car outside of Portland, and pollute away inside of Oregon.

    Create jobs for unskilled laborers?
     
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  2. bjwhite

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    I’d be more pissed at not being able to pump my own gas dude.
     
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  3. surfwolf

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    Totally! You have to let them touch your Ferrari no matter what. Sucks....
     
  4. tr0768

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    The real irritation with Washington States b/s inspection is that the company that ran the rip off was owned by BP petroleum which is really owned by the old bat and her family of in breads that run England. The cost was $20.00 of which 1/2 went directly to her back pocket. Then they came up with the $150.00 waiver fee that allowed anyone to pay the fee and continue to pollute. Yet another government program that was good to start until the bozo's in Olympia got their hands on it and like a typical bureaucrat screwed it up.

    Just sayin'
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  5. Enzojr

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    Oregon thrives on inefficient use of public funds ;)
    Coming soon, 12 “new” miles of Light rail line for .......$3 Billion bucks.
    It’s a steal at $250,000,000.00 per mile .......lol.
    .......it will be up to $4-5 Billion by the time they get it done.
     
  6. max930

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    We ended ours in BC about two years ago. I don't miss it!!!!!
     
  7. schnazzy

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    In WA, all cars 2009 (that met CA CARB requirements) and newer never needed emissions testing. This is because 2009 cars were required to fully insturment all emissions parts and throw a check engine if there was an issue. The orginal reason for emissions is that in the 70's there was so much pollution it was hard to see (in S. Cali) etc and it was a danger to health. So they put these in place and started working on emissions requirements for manufacturers. It was a pretty good success as it did indeed reduce the polutants significantly. It was normal to see a few cars spewing smoke and (see from instrumentation) hydrocarbon and other nasties that were horrific. Now you don't see that. Now you have fairly clean air in comparison and have many more cars.

    They were finding that with the average car life being what it was, there were a lot less cars getting emissioned than a decade ago. The air is cleaner, the emissions equipment is instrumented. It doesn't make sense to continue.

    The $150 fee was not a fee. It was that you had to spend $150 at a certified emissions mechanic to fix emissions after the first failure. Then you go a 2nd time and if you had spent at least $150 you still passed.

    Oregon will catch up. I think it is still on the books due to portland being abit "green" and slow lawmakers. Maybe they make big money on it but in WA it is likely a loss at this time so they shut it down.
     
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  8. donv

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    While they are at it, they should do away with the front plate requirement. However, I don't see either of those happening as the SEIU will want to keep the jobs and the greenies want anything which is "green." Unstoppable combination there.

    The SEIU runs the political machine anyway, and nothing happens in the state without their approval.
     
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  9. bjwhite

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    So getting rid of the front plates will cost SEIU members their jobs? Huh?
     
  10. donv

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    No, but getting rid of the DEQ testing stations will!

    And, their leadership is generally anti-car and pro-mass transit (plenty of SEIU members there!), so anything which makes car ownership easier or better isn't popular with them.

    However, at least they like jobs, unlike the Seattle city council!
     
  11. schnazzy

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    So in WA we make something like 800,000 plates a year and we have inmades make them. They have to be replaced every 7 years because of the reflective coating. The only thing I can think about is the reflective coating company lobbies WA lawmakers so they can sell twice as much coating (unlikley), Police departments want front plates for easier identification, or Police departments use the plate to radar cars. This last piece might be true but not required as they can just point at a headlight which works well. I think 19 states or so don't require a front plate. I don't see why we need to have two plates. They got rid of the tabs for front plates a long time ago.
     
  12. aballas

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    That's actually kinda helpful when I'm driving the California alone. Sticky gas door makes getting it open a 2 person job.

    Most of the time they ask if I want to pump it myself. I don't usually take them up on it.
     
  13. aballas

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    It's like $40 every two years .. who cares? I don't disagree with your logic it's just not a huge inconvenience for me to comply with it.

    Front plates on the other hand....
     
  14. donv

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    When you start to have a bunch of cars, it seems like there are always one or two which have to go in... then you have to wait in line, or they're closed, or whatever. It's really not the money-- I think we all need to appreciate how good we have it in Oregon from the money point of view-- it's just the continual hassle.

    The next car I buy will either be 1974 or older, or get an SP plate.
     
  15. max930

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    Years ago WA exempted vehicles from the front plates if the vehicle wasn't manufactured with a front plate bracket. But they stopped about ten years ago. I was going to buy an 08 Vette new in central Washington State and asked the dealer how Vette owners got away with no front plate in WA.
     
  16. donv

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    Incidentally, the most recent car I bought was a 1975 Porsche with an SP plate!
     

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