When will Ferrari offer an AWD M car?

....I suppose when this technology is necessary to get to the F1 podium, or Ferrari wants to build a SUV or Mercedes clone.

 

I don't think it is very likely. They build fairly specialized cars. If it happens, the most obvious and realistic choice would seem to be the 612. I cannot see the mid-engine models coming in AWD. Keep in mind that Lamborghini had gone AWD before the Audi takeover (wasn't Audi/"Quattro" related), and the most sporting Porsche models (Carrera GT, GT2, GT3) are still RWD-only.

 

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IMO, hopefully never. If they have to keep it within the 2+2's.

 

I hope never !

 

+1!

 

No need, it's a Ferrari.

 

Well is Subaru and Mazda do it then Ferrari definitely should. lol

I had a WRX before but like RWD better it feels like it has a better balance, but given a proper set up AWD it can be just as good. It's nice in inclement weather but honestly who buys a Ferrari for its all conquering practicality. Ferrari should remain RWD.

 

If they continue to increase the power, which it seems that they will, it'll happen eventually. Traction control systems can only become so sophisticated- eventually they'll have to enact some form of AWD system that transfers traction from "the wheels that slip to the wheels that grip"- and, moreso, as a safeguard against the average driver from totaling their cars (or hurting themselves) ala the Porsche Carrera GT and Corvette ZO6.

 

Yep....when Ferrari goes with more HP than the Enzo... they will either have to go 4-wheel-drive or make more than 400 cars.

How many Enzo's have we lost because Ferrari didn't go the route Lambo did? There's enough crash photos
of Enzo's (in two halves, sitting in the middle of the road) on F-chat already.

 

There are also a lot of crashed lambos , 996 TT , subarus and whatever. You just see the Enzo because they make the news as the latest million dollar Ferrari crashed..Hell, i think we are already at 5 LP 640 totalled..

And in some of those Enzo crashes, AWD wouldnt have helped ( Italian Industrialist , Eriksson..). Dont know the details for the other.

 

And those guys find a way to do it with 4 wheel drive and only 640hp. LOL

My point....even though I like to take the long way home.... as the HP war continues, at what number do you have to go to 4 wheel drive?

650hp?
700hp?
800hp?
900hp?

 

It's all in the power curve. If it is linear, then it would be easier to control than something that has a fairly flexible curve. If for some reason the power can't be kept under control, then of course Ferrari will do something. Not saying Lamborghini is out to kill it's customers, but I believe that Ferrari will know it's customers limits and compensate as such. I can see some claiming the Enzo to be out of the ability of normal drivers, as I'm sure Ferrari will also note. Though these are supposed to be race cars for the street, they shouldn't need a race car driver to keep them under control.

Peter Hatch

 

amen to that!!

 

Is it not bad enough Ferrari cars are already designed and styled by focus groups and marketing yabbos, now they should follow Volkswagen, Mazda, and Subaru technologically?

How many F1 championships do VW, Mazda and Subaru have collectively?

AWD on the street is for people who can't drive: Ferrari should abjure the Paris Hilton market in the first place.

 

think it's a bit silly to say "i hope never!!!!" and be a ferrari fanboy.

if you'll never go near a fuel-injected ferrari or a ferrari with electronic ignition then ok you're a serious fanboy of the old gear and good on ya.

but face it, times change.

basically, the best you can hope for is that all you hold as ideal doesn't become useless before you die.

 

ignorant on so many levels.

 

First, You have been watching too many Mercedes ads. Second, AWD is great in the snow but, it has a price. My 575M will sit here in PA until the snow is gone and with it, the salt. Then, I will be back out there. I own five cars, each with a purpose. My Toyota Highlander fills the snow purpose. My E320 fits my wife's purpose. My Chevy Tracker fills my teenager-self purpose, and my T-Bird convertible fills my weekend "park it anywhere" purpose.

Now, not everyone can do this. However, I have always felt that compromise was great in 1850 with regard to slavery but, not when it comes to driving. Owning a Mercedes M class or a Mercedes or BMW wagon has always made me laugh. You can do a lot better for a bunch less money.

A Ferrari is meant to drive! Drive fast, I do. AWD will slow you down. Take it or leave it. The 575M is not for the snow. The Toyota is not for speed. The E320 is for a long trip to Florida. The Tracker is not. The T-Bird is for a short trip where I won't go into cardiac arrest if it get's dinged. But, I'm just saying. Cheers.

 

leave it.

been in a Lamborghini lately?

if you're still clinging onto "oh but Ferrari have race heritage and soul" and other bullsh1t then the internet is probably too new a technology for you.

enjoy the old cars for what they are, belittle other cars for their attributes at your own peril/ignorance.

 

As a Porsche TT owner, the adjusting AWD is all about better dry performance........faster laps. 99.999% of all drivers (basically all of us not being paid to race) will turn faster laps in an AWD car, and do it with a higher degree of safety.

Its no secret why large % of Vipers, Enzos, Carrera GTs, & GT2s see collisions........just too much HP on tap for non-professionals to contol.

 

Reverse that, and you are correct. AWD allows superior grip in turns, allowing faster entry speed, and the increased traction equates to faster exit speed and acceleration.

There are very few downsides with AWD- added weight, heavier steering (around town), and the feeling of being a bit more disconnected from the car as computers have more control. All of these can/will be worked out in the next few years as AWD is becoming more prevalent in EVERY car. Nearly every major manufacturer has an AWD or 4WD option besides Ferrari..

 

Even a 400 Hp car can be dangerous in the hands of most of us. In my opinion, Ferrari shouldnt be aiming for the biggest HP but for the lowest weight or the best Hp/ton ratio. If they could drop 150 kgs from the Enzo for the next supercar they wouldnt need to come up with a 800 hp car..

 

But if they don't come up with a 660hp+ car for the near $1m price tag, they'll really have to come up with a revolutionary design or new technology to blow away the competition as the first generation LP640 already produces 640hp for 1/3 the price. Most car enthusiasts do NOT understand the HP/weight concept and merely judge the car by their power numbers.

Additionally, if Ferrari was to stay with their 660hp engine and their competition (Bugatti/Lamborghini/whoever else) continued to increase their power, the Ferrari drivers would have to keep their cars in a lower gear, revving it higher, to keep up. Higher revs= more stress on the engine. More stress on the engine= less reliability + more maintenance. It goes on..

 

False, in 90% of dry situations.