When will we start to see 812s for sale?

Discussion in 'FF/GTC4Lusso/F12/812S' started by F355 Fan 82, Apr 15, 2018.

  1. ervinwu

    ervinwu Karting

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    The LaFerrari isn't originally his. He bought Robert Herjavec's who was going through a divorce and divested his collection. He isn't a valuable client of Ferrari's, but makes it seem like he is. The Ferraris are his, but not the McLaren, Porsche, etc. The 812 might not depreciate but it will be worth it over an SV.
     
  2. Caeruleus11

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    I know its unsolicited, but what the heck, my advice, if you want an 812, see if you can make a deal where you buy a pre-owned F12b and then you would be able to order an 812 to your spec. I don't know how long it would take to get the order but probably another 12-18 months is my completely wild guess. In the mean time, you are driving one of the all time great Ferraris. You will probably lose money, probably about the premium on an 812 today, but, you will be building a stronger relationship and being able to order your 812 just so. If you're willing to spend more on the 812, perhaps see if they can do a Tailor Made build.
     
  3. F355 Fan 82

    F355 Fan 82 Formula Junior
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    I spoke with my local dealer recently when I pulled in bc there was an 812 in the window. They know me, I'm a customer, I have a 575 and I bought my SLR from them. Those are the only 2 cars I have but both from them. Even so, I cannot order an 812, which is fine I get it, Im not up high on the food chain I just have 2 cars, and one isn't even a Ferrari. I told them Im fine paying over sticker, but even so there are none right now. The one on the showroom floor, the owner doesn't want to sell but apparently he doesn't even want to drive it either lol so he just leaves it at the dealer, thats awesome, I mean truly awesome, when you buy $500k cars and don't even like them enough to drive them so you buy them and dont even want to drive them! What a great brand ambassador Ferrari has chosen to bestow an 812 upon!
     
  4. Caeruleus11

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    Then I recommend patience.
     
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  5. F355 Fan 82

    F355 Fan 82 Formula Junior
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    Its not really a big deal, I was just curious when they were going to be available, if its soon cool, if its not, there's plenty of other cool stuff I can buy. I'd love to have it, but life's too short to wait around.
     
  6. Andrew Honychurch

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    I think you may find the F12 is the car to own. As the OP said, its one of the all time great Ferraris, perhaps, the greatest GT Ferrari?
     
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  8. Thecadster

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    I guess every dealer is probably different, certainly there are unique market forces at play, but this path is EXACTLY the one I took. Last summer I purchased a pre-owned CPO F12 (only 259 miles!!) from a nearby dealer. Shortly later I was able to secure a place in line for an 812 and submitted a deposit. Last month I completed my spec at the dealer and he said to expect it spring 2019, maybe sooner. I guess that would be around 18 months after the initial deposit. Not fast, but I am not in hurry. I have an awesome car in the interim (about to move past 2000 miles on the ODO).

    Side note, when comparing the F12, I test drove a several cars including a regular Huracan. I loved it, and even though I chose the F12, I ultimately could not get it out of my mind and subsequently ordered a Performante, which was originally scheduled for late spring 2018 and by a weird twist of fate, I moved up in line when another order of an identical spec fell out. I ended up taking delivery in early Dec. The dealer also assured me that I would be one of the early recipients of the replacement Aventador when the time comes which is an added bonus.

    I’m very new to exotics (the F12 and HP are my first two), and while I am certain that there are often tons of games and gamesmanship in acquiring these cars, at least for me, the process has been fairly straightforward. Call me crazy, but waiting for ordered cars to come in somehow adds to the drama and excitement of the process. Of course, waiting is made all the easier when you other cars to pass the time with.
     
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  9. F355 Fan 82

    F355 Fan 82 Formula Junior
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    Of course ordering a car is incredible, I commend you guys who do it, I just don't really have any interest in that. Life is short, my best friend passed away last year from the flu, thats not a joke, 32 years old, got the flu, didn't take care of himself figured the fever would subside on its own, it got so bad in the night he had a seizure and died. We could die at any moment from anything: car crash,heart attack, who knows. I will happily pay $50-75k over sticker for an 812, thats not the issue, I just want it now, I don't want to wait years for it. The problem is Ferrari values the collectors in its lineage and one of those guys near me apparently loves the car so much he don't even want to drive it, at least thats the case with the one near me! I have 2 incredible exotics an SLR and a 575, and I find time to drive both multiple times weekly. You gotta enjoy life, I don't get these guys that want to buy the 812 bc they love it so much yet not only do they not wanna drive it, they don't even want to look at it in their garage so they leave it with their dealer. Just an amazing world we live in! Maybe one day I too will own so many exotics I won't have time to even look at one of them!
     
  10. Caeruleus11

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    Congrats @Thecadster ! That's great!

    @F355 Fan 82 - I'm very sorry about your friend! That's horrible! The dealer stuff is more or less how it is. And its not for any of us to understand why that 812's owner has supposedly left the car at the dealership. There could be any of a million reasons, or more than one. You just don't know. I agree life is short. I used to think similar to you, but there are things worth waiting for and a new Ferrari is one of them. As I see it, the time is going to pass either way. One way you can not be sitting a Ferrari, or one way you can. I choose the Ferrari. If that means you're driving an F12 instead of an 812 for a few months, you know what I call that? Winning. Enjoy each and every moment.
     
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  11. Challenge64

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    Really? Care to elaborate? I only know what I've seen on Shark Tank.
     
  12. LamboLover

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    In another thread, as one member theorized, David only uses the brand to market himself. Let alone he designates himself as Ferrari Collector David Lee using the brand's font, but he also uses the Ferrari logo with an Asian lettering instead of the prancing horse. The man practically markets himself as if he's a close partner of the brand. Then you have the infamous background of his fake 250 Competizione he says is legitimate and goes as far as to claim an expert like Joe or Marcel don't have all the facts like he does.

    I would say it's a classic case of narcissism.
     
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  13. CrazyMD

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    Feel exactly the same.


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  15. dustman

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    Just wait. The 812 will lose value.
    I turned down Pista at “buy a Cali or Lusso” games. Was promised a Pista and apparently lied to or the rules changed. Either way, I’m not interested if that’s how ferrari plays. And I had a Speciale and am on my 3rd Ferrari.

    Lambo rang up and offered a Huracan Performante Spider at MSRP, first ones being built. Comes with opp to get the next aventador (if they fix that horrible gearbox). Great dealer relations.

    Going forward my F cars will be purchased second hand at discounts and from who i want, not in my 100 mile radius nonsense. Love the cars, hate the game. Some day this will tip the brand to declines.
     
  16. LamboLover

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    It’s sad.

    I’ve read on Rennlist that Porsche dealers have played similar games offering GT buyers cars at a certain price point, whether it’s MSRP or $15-25k over and then coming back with $50k+ because they promised too many clients with not enough allocations. And these are to people who have bought several cars as well, from the same store.
     
  17. dustman

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    You can also get a 911 GT2 RS at +$125k to $200k.
    Car just doesnt do it for me, visually and the muted sound. Compare that to the Performante coupe and it's a no brainer.
     
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  18. ervinwu

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    He fell out with Ferrari due to flipping his cars, and had a divorce and had to sell off many assets.
     
  19. obbob

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    They will start to be available once the "first right of refusal" agreements expire. I think the shortest tends to be 6 months (i.e. you can't sell your new Ferrari until you've owned it for 6 months).

    Generally the people who've received the first allocations are in good with the company, so are not willing to damage their relationship with Ferrari by breaking that agreement.

    I imagine we will see used listings in the next couple of months.
     
  20. patekswiss

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    oh really
     
  21. uhn2000

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    I have met Rob a few times (same industry) I am just curious as to how you would claim that he was in a scandal? Same with Marc M. he is the one cool Ferrari owner, one that actually drives all his super cars!
     

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