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Where does this Ghibli hose go??

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  1. steve meltzer

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    There's a hose that comes off the intake manifold of my Ghibli ('67 #616), runs toward the back of the car. It's in the midline and is approximately under the #3 Weber. My lights work fine and I think everything else does as well. It's obviously a vacuum hose, but to where??. Early emissions, like a PVC or something? thanx. steve "Never enough time to do it right, always enough time to do it over"
     
  2. thecarnut

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    Steve,

    A photo would help. Is this a large vacuum hose or a small one? If it is a large hose then it is most likely the one for the brake servos. If it is a small hose then you are most likely correct in assuming it is for some form of early pollution control device, especially iof the car was delivered in California.

    Ivan
     
  3. steve meltzer

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    Hi Ivan, thanx for the response. it's a pretty big hose ?? ID of about 1/2", as I recall. Let me see if I can get a good picture of it...might be tough, tucked under the carbs as it is. thanx again. steve "unencumbered by the thought process"
     
  4. thecarnut

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    Sounds like the brake booster vacuum line. Does your car have the single Bonaldi brake booster or the dual Girling?

    If you have the dual Girling boosters then there should also be a black vacuum canister with a check valve. This line goes to the check valve on the canister.

    Ivan
     
  5. steve meltzer

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    #5 steve meltzer, Oct 2, 2010
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    Ivan, I've enclosed two pictures...one from the right and one from the left. I made an error, a big one: the hose is from the "valley", not intake. So it's probably part of the PVC system, I'll bet. It's not seeing full manifold vacuum, 'cause it's not part of the intake. The pictures show the orifice with the hose i attached. The hose has a hose clamp on it, so you should be able to see it. It's tucked below the #3 and #4 carbs. I put a little red paint brush in there to help ID this. Let me know what you think. thanx s
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  6. thecarnut

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    Steve,

    I do not recall seeing this hose before. Perhaps someone with a Ghibli of the same vintage can help.

    You probably know that the large vacuum home on the bottom of the lower photo goes to the brake booster.

    Ivan
     
  7. steve meltzer

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    Ivan, thanx for checking. steve
     
  8. lighibli

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    I do not have access right now to the Illustrated Parts Manual, but if I recall, I had this hose on my Ghibli, comming out and draping over the the bell housing. Every so often a drop of oil will come out just on top of the exhaust. I decided to use a Catch-can/breather (Moroso)
    attached inside the left fender and a longer hose to connect.
    This breather has a small valve or spigot at the bottom and after few months of running the car, you can drain 8-10 drops of oil out of it.
    Hope this this help.
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    Alberto
     
  9. velocetwo

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    no vents on cam covers, sounds like a crank case vent
     
  10. Erich

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    Road draft tube? Predecessor of PCV systems.
     
  11. steve meltzer

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    thanx again. I too believe this is some sort of rudimentary emissions system, like the road draft tube on my '62 'vette. Right now, it's capped off, but might be best to let "drain" over the bellhousing, as noted. thanx again. "when you're up to your ass in alligators, it's hard to remember that you originally came to drain the swamp" s
     
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    Ah ... it's only one picture but it looks like it's tapped into the intake manifold? Maybe we need a better picture of it? If so then it certainly isn't a crankcase vent which should never be blocked off! Those were done off the end of the cam covers.

    We need more pictures and info Steve ...

    Bob S.
     
  13. steve meltzer

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    It's really tough to get a good shot of that darn hose, but it's not coming off the intake, it's coming off the "valley", so it's really under moderate positive crankcase pressure, not vacuum. I'll bet that blocked off, it's now causing my car to smoke like crazy! Easy enough to tell, just start the engine and see if that hose sucks for blows....'nuff said! thanx again. "when you're up to your ass in alligators, it's hard to remember that you originally came to drain the swamp" s
     
  14. staatsof

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    #14 staatsof, Oct 4, 2010
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    Sorry Steve but the way you picture appears to me the banjo fitting is very close to the base of the one carb and that sits on the intake manifold so it "looks" that way to me. The intake manifold comes of with 4 or 6 very long bolts that compress the O-rings into sealing it to the heads.

    So get some more pictures from other angles. You may need to remove the air cleaner box.

    Bob S.

    It's fitting #15 on this diagram:
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  15. steve meltzer

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    Bob, thanx for your interest. Let me see what I can ascertain and picture this PM. As noted, a quick test would be to "uncap" the hose (it's got a bolt secured by an Ideal clamp on the end of it now) and see if it sucks or blows with the engine on. s
     
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    It's late and those pix will have to be sent in the AM. But, I unblocked the hose and it has
    POSITIVE pressure, not negative with the engine on. So, tho' it looks like it's coming from the intake, it's not. Furthermore, dc'ing the hose, seems to have cleared up the smoke that was blowing out the tailpipe. I'm pretty sure it's part of some sort of early emissions system, not intake driven. Thanx again. steve "Never enough time to do it right, always enough time to do it over"
     
  17. steve meltzer

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    #17 steve meltzer, Oct 5, 2010
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    OK, here's another view, and it's the best I can do. In the picture, my big fat thumb is in the lower left hand corner, holding the Craftsman screwdriver. You can follow the screwdriver handle down to where the screwdriver tip is pointing to the hose, with its Ideal clamp, between carb #3 and #4. I hope the picture's in the correct orientation. If not, just stand on your head and it'll be right.

    I fired it up last nite and the hose seemed to have a sl. positive pressure, certainly not a vacuum. Now, I'm even more confident that the hose has it's origins in the "valley'" and not the intake, as I had originally and erroneously believed. I don't see that hose in the diagram that Bob sent, probably because it's not part of the carb and intake system. Agree?

    Thanx again. s
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    #18 staatsof, Oct 5, 2010
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    Steve,

    That doesn't match what you posted the first time. So I am totally confused now.
    The first pictures showed a fabric covered hose with no clamp that's slipped over a banjo fitting. That much matches the diagram I linked with which shows the fitting, where it goes but no hose.
    Wait ... I read your first post too hastily. The visible hose and connector apparently have nothing to do with what you are trying to show us.

    If it's directly into the block in the "V" then I don't know. But it truly is not part of the intake manifold then it's not a vacuum line.

    Where does the hose terminate and how?

    Bob S.
     
  19. steve meltzer

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    Hi Bob, Right, the large braided hose with the banjo bolt was NOT what i was trying to show...so much for a career in photography for me! (Sorry you had to cock your head to one side to see the other picture, but it is more representative of what I was trying to show.) When I got the car, the hose was broken and just hanging off its connector in the "V". I was going to put on a new, long hose and, as suggested earlier, drape it over the bellhousing as a "road draft tube"; not vastly different than the "puke tank" on my Kirkham Cobra. s
     
  20. staatsof

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    Since you have no idea what it's for and no one is speaking up I think you better find out what it's used for. I'm not sure thast your assumptions are correct. In that area of the block it could also be coolant or oil. It's really hard for me to see very well. I don't remember any fittings in the block on the Bora which admittedly is different.

    Suggestions:

    If you're an MIE member you can call them. IMO every vintage Maserati owner should be a member of MIE. They have a lot of tech-tips available as well as technical documentation for the various models.

    Try asking on the Maserati GT Cars Yahoo group. I think people are still a bit active over there? You could try the Maserasti Yahoo group but it's not very active. Still, there are a number of people still monitoring it.

    Good luck Steve sorry I could do any better.

    Bob S.
     
  21. VeloceOne

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    Hi, Just checked my QP1, and it has a similar hose exiting over the bell housing to the passenger side. At the present time I can't access that side as I have the car jacked up. The hose comes from fitting on the valley cover and I think is just a vent line.
    Regards Ian
     
  22. steve meltzer

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    I just spoke with Terry Myr, an Italian exotic expert in Michigan. He confirmed what Ian said: early Ghibis had this vent hose. Gotta make sure that they don't get plugged up with crud and cause smokin'. Thanx again to everyone who helped me. steve
     
  23. staatsof

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    It vents what? Where is it tapping into the crankcase?

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  24. steve meltzer

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    I'm not sure of the exact part of the crankcase being vented. But the nipple fitting screws into a threaded orifice between #3 and #4 carb, the hose pushes onto that fitting. Not sure what else to say about location. Thanx again. steve
     
  25. VeloceOne

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    Hi, The cover seals the valley of the engine, and as far as I know, the valley is open to the bottom end of the engine in some areas, at least at the rear of the valley and possibly at the front. ( I did a quick check on an old 4.7 block that I have) Regards Ian.
     

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