Which model be the next classic model?

bb, tr, cs in that order

 

Glass 308s, 328 GTBs.

 

TR

 

I know I am bias but I believe it will be the 360. I could of bought a 430 and maybe stretched a 458 but to me the 360 is the most classic F ever

 

Why does everyone seem to think the 355 is going to be a classic? It's not a cheap car to operate, its not blessed with great reliability. Production numbers are about on par with the 348. I don't get it personally…

As above. bb, tr, cs in that order IMHO.. but I don't see any of the modern cars post 1980 easily ascending...

 

It's pretty and fast and was groundbreaking in it's time. When somebody looks at a car that presses their buttons, nobody thinks 'geez, but it's not as reliable as a Toyota.' Nobody buys a sports or classic car for it's reliability, they buy their DD's for that. It's like marrying a super model because she is good at doing dishes. That said, as has been gone over ad nauseum, their issues can be fixed making them as reliable as any other belt driven Ferrari. Their production numbers seem to hold them back, though that doesn't seem to hurt the Dino's. Pretty goes a long way...See also 993 Porsche's.

I think 348 GTC has a good chance as it's the best looking and fastest of the 348's along with very low production. I also think '95 355 challenges will be very sought after as they were the last of the street legal race cars. 360 CS will be some day, but they're too new to be next.

 

The stradale is the next iconic Ferrari. As much as I want it to be the Testarossa the stradale is the real deal. It will be in the same realm as the 288 GTO, f40, f50 ,super fast etc. believe me it's no f40 but it will be held in high regard. The stradale not the scuderia. Sorry Listen to the Chairman. Lol.

R

 

BB / BBI, glass 308, carb 308 GTB, 308 GTB QV, 355 Fiorino, 360 CS

 

Testarossas are really cool, but high production numbers and high maintenance costs will prevent take off. IMHO. Run of the mil 355s will face the same fate.

Boxers will make the cut despite high maintenance costs because of low production numbers

 

Stradale yes. But more of an icon than a classic. It will be many more years before its a classic in my eyes. But even then it will be a classic icon.

 

True. Though I suspect the last of the air cooled is driving it... And strong European demand as I'm told.

Btw Guys I understand why others love the 355.. I'm not down on the car, Ive recommended it to people who truly want one... I just personally don't get it.

I'd also like to add the 308gt4 to the mix. So many have rusted to oblivion...

 

Not a regular Testarossa,512M definitely and 512TR also (both already on the upswing,time to buy now)

 

thats basically what i meant.
i have been voting with my feet over the last 15 years and only buying those cars i loved AND thought would become sought after by others for various reasons.

the bb run because it is the last hand made ferrari and has looks and performance that is world class still now.

the 512tr because it is the prettiest of the tr run and that car is a design icon for ferrari. not all may like it, but it is striking and memorable.

and the cs because it was the first and so raw, and the build numbers were low.

the f40 for obvious reasons.

my only ferrari regret is the 456mgt. lovely and subtle, but i am tired of it.

 

I guess there is a larger question. What is a classic? There are lots of definitions but extrapolating from classic car club of America' definition I believe :

1- made in limited #'s (all ferrari's even modern ones make the cut when compared the entire market). Think about this... roughly 17k 360's made during 6 year run. Compare to 67-9 camaro- 200+k made each year (600+k). These are regarded by some as classics.

2 - considered relevant, cutting edge, or trend setting for the time.

3- age this one is open to wide variation usually 30+ years old

4- generally expensive


There is also the term "collectible". This is different, and to some degree perhaps more refined classic.

1- Made in limited #'s when compared to other models. Has additional options and features that separate it from other models.

2- same as above but stands out within its class (e.g. CS/scuderia/16M)

3- same as above

4- MSRP even more $$ sometimes quite significantly so.


For collectible there is an implied plateaued or negative depreciation. This may also be true for classics but less robust.

The question is when to purchase. Would need to follow trends and try to jump when depreciation is flat. Also important to consider ratio of base model:limited model.

Consider this scenario: (my data from auto trader from 2/11/14)

360 modena f1 MSRP 160000
360 modena f1 current median USED sale price 75000

Held 47% of original value or 53% depreciation

360 CS MSRP 194000
360 CS current median USED sale price 160000

Held 82% of original value or 18% depreciation

COMPARE TO 355 which is further depreciated to use as a crystal ball to predict the future of 360

355 Berlinetta MSRP 131000
355" Berlinetta current median USED sale price - 55000

Held 42% of original value or 58% deprecation

OF COURSE NOT TAKING INFLATION INTO CONSIDERATION.



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I believe a 348 will become a classic before a 355 . Fewer made, more distinct look, less mechanical gremlins. No thought a 246 would become a classic.

I know many love the 355 but it's gremlins will its downfall .

While on the subject possibly the 360. Another underdog car and more manuals made plus more visceral than 430 . 430 manual will bring good money in the future no dispute

 

The 512 BB's, 512TR and F512M. Anything with the Flat 12 and is in low production numbers, I cannot see the modern classic's(v8's) appreciating anytime soon.

 

+1

 

DINOS
Only 401 Euro 246 GTS were made out of 1274 total 246 GTS produced. The GT Hardtops had serious attrition in the 70's and 80's and their 2600 numbers had seriously been diminished as they were scrapped and parted out. In addition Dinos are easily maintained with chain driven cams, chrome bumpers and the only car that Enzo created as a tribute for his only son. PF claims teh body is one of their top ten designs and there is a linkage to racing hostory.


512/TR
TRs were the highest production numbers of any Ferrari at their time and with potential maintenance costs rivaling their purchase price I think it would be very hard to see the number of collectors make a serious dent in buying up enough of them to dent the population and push prices up to multiples of what they are today.

512M
OTOH, The 512M is at the end of production, allegedly has the dreaded Diff problem solved and has enough factory visual changes to separate it from the 9 years of of prior 512 model changes. Not sure on where they sell for now but I've seen asking prices in the multiples (4-5?) of a standard 512/TR

BOXERS
I love the boxer. In my mind it was the FIRST supercar (not the 288GTO). After several friends have owned Boxers I've seen really frequent and high maintenance costs; the factory fitted two alternators to supply the needed power which is weird, two rear shocks for the massive weight, engine out servicing required (ouch$), the dreaded diff carrier and a distributor advance system which uses nylon bushes designed to wear oit then fail which are just a few high maintennance area.

F355
When the 355 was introduced it was the first Ferrari to stir me in a long while; 5 valve cylinder heads, the first under carriage venturi ground effects in their V8 road car, the low and wide shapely styling. The performance increases came at the cost of maintenance

 

let's separate things to classic v8 and classic v12

 

V8: Dino-badged 308GT4 (in terms of % value increase)
12: 512BB (on looks alone)