Which model be the next classic model?

Spot on post IMO

We are also experiencing a worldwide asset bubble that will burst at some point and discretionary car demand will drop with it. It happened in 2007 and will happen to this market.

The cars that we had on our walls as kids are not the cars that subsequent generations have on their walls either. Their fun car dollars may not be going to not so vintage Ferraris in the future.

That said Rosso corsa, gated, 355 spiders will always be in demand.

 

Where's all the 550 love? The first front engine v12 berlinetta since the Daytona. The last to be offered exclusively with a manual gearbox. In my opinion, the last pretty car from Maranello. High production numbers will hurt it's collectibility but this thread is about classics. I previously owned several v8s from 308 to California and v12s including a Daytona and 550. The 550 is still one of my favorites. In the $80k price range still a bargain. In 20 years it will be the last of the breed for self shifting grand touring Ferrari driving experience.

 

I think what's going to be interesting, will be how the current crop of F1 transmission and hybrid tech Ferrari's will do in the future. Will they just be disposable cars because of the insanely expensive repair costs that will be looming in 10 or so years.
Of the classics, I think the 308GT4 will be the next Dino in terms of what the car will be worth in the future.

 

I hope in 20 years someone remembers HOW to drive a standard shift.

 

Bubble is already bursting on all muscle cars that were so hot not that long ago.
50's Ferraris,most of the 60's,some from 70's and later,old race cars with provenance, are quickly becoming something more then just collector cars attractive only to car entusiasts.
They are quickly asserting their place as an alternative or addition to Art pieces collected by folks who have the means and a will to do so.
Population of true car enthusiasts is diminishing,that's a fact,Art collectors were always there (even before cars existed) and always will.
Mass produced,less desirable "collector" cars will suffer,truly desirable ones will just keep going up in prices,their supply is finite,number of people who want them and can afford them is only growing.
$52mln for a car looks shocking to car collectors but is a chump change for some of the big hitters collecting conventional Art.
Some of these ultra rare and special cars have still a huge potential,IMO.

 

manual shifting 612's, 599's, and california's are actually the last stick shift's available. not in great quantities either, so they will be the ones sought after in those model lines imo.

 

The manual 599 GTOs will be extremely valuable in the future.

 

I don't think there exists such animal.....

 

A couple of mos ago in Vegas we had to bail on this driving event with a customer because this work buddy of mine had never driven a stick. 'It just never came up' he tells us. How the hell did that never come up?!

 

There are a couple "in the know" users who have confirmed their existence, but no pictures as of yet. IIRC it was stated that they were some of the last GTO's made.

 

They only made 6 manual Cali's-I heard it right here about a week ago

The super speedy F1 trans lost some traction with me a few yrs ago when they started putting them in Mitsubishi evos. Seems almost like a commodity now but the stick is gone from these cars

 

the last manual 599's were not gto's

 

The true divide will NOT be between manual and auto's. It will be between analog and digital.

There are many collectible cars out there that were auto's. The question is if they were analog or digital. A 512 BB will always be worth more than a 512 BBi.

The question of expensive electronics is moot. If the car is worth it, there will always be someone to come up with a solution. In fact, technology is actually better and cheaper in many cases.

If there's a buck to be made, someone will make it.

 

328GTB

 

To this generation analog is exotic.

And of course romantic.

 

...and a little bit funny...

 

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The 80s and early 90s European sports cars should do well in the future for several reasons.

1) 80s American cars totally sucked, which made imports very popular and interesting
2) the 80s were all about conspicuous consumption, ie. flashy cars
3) children of the 70s and 80s grew up on Hot Wheels, Matchbox, & Speed Racer
4) popular TV shows showcased these cars
5) 80s kids don't care about chrome bumpers, we just like what was new and cool when we were 10yrs.old


The generation after us could care less, but these 80s cars will do well as us 80s kids get disposable cash.

Countach, BBi, 930 Turbo, 308/328, Lotus Esprit Turbo, 1st M3, 635 CSi,

 

Forgot Testarossa

 

Where do you plan to find a running Esprit Turbo?
(Ducking)

 

Surprisingly, they're out there. Not my first choice, but one of the era cars. Not worth the cost of the cam belt change to me though.

 

I don't subscribe to the generational therory of collecting or wanting a particular car. Great designs will transcend generations and be something of desire to people forever, as is the same for great art.

I was not alive in the 30s but there are many cars which I would love to have and I did not grow up coveting them, they are masterpieces.

 

Are you sure about this, I see these "tribute" or totally modified cars even asking for big bucks. >100K

You know that California is such a pretty car. It really should be a stick IMO. It just looks up to the task to have a robust, street drag, red light to red light, honest to goodness super tough clutch..... and a stick. I think the early focus groups blew it on this one. Again IMHO

 

Completely agree.

No one buying a Merc 300SL Gullwing today (prices are through the roof) is reliving his teen years. Many of my favorites -- Daytona, Speedster, 550 Spyder, 250 GT SWB - were out of production either before I was born or was very young.

 

Agree with the first part -- analogue is romantic and cool, and you can't buy it anymore in a new car showroom. All of get is a lot of competent sameness.

On your second point, you may not be in a classic car mindset. A classic car is most desirable when it's original. Anyone who thinks a California has a chance of being a classic needs to account for items like the $20,000 infotainment unit that can either be (a) tossed out for something aftermarket or (b) maintained in the way we all maintain our old laptop PCs so they'll last 20 years. Ditto the F1 pump in a 355. Or a 599 instrument panel. All that gadgetry fails, and you either replace it or modernize the car.

You can toss all the electronic crap out of an old 355, 360 or California, and replace it with something better. But effectively you're resto-modding the car. No one wants the original paddle shifters in a 360 CS or AM Vanquish, because they aren't very good, but ultimately keeping those cars on the road means keeping the metal bits and changing the rest -- kind of like fitting direct injection to a Daytona instead of rebuilding the carbs. Yeah, it's still a Daytona, and sure it runs better, but the whole point of a classic is that it takes you back in time.

Long term, I think that's why a Daytona, 300 SL or early 911 is a classic car, and the stuff we buy now is disposable.