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Which street Ferraris of the past 25 years will be "special" in another 25 years?

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Which street Ferraris of the past 25 years will be "special" in another 25 years?

  1. BB

  2. 288 GTO

  3. 328 GTB ABS

  4. 348 Factory Challenge

  5. F40

  6. 512 M

  7. 355 Fiorona

  8. 550 Barchetta

  9. F50

  10. 360 CS

  11. Enzo

  12. 575 Superamerica

  13. FXX

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  1. rob lay

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    If you look back from 1960 to 1980 and not counting the <50 production cars. You could count the Lusso, 275, and Daytona as truly the highlights of the production cars. Second tier cars are numerous from older GTE and 330 2+2's to the 275 GTS, 330 GTC, and Dino.

    What cars from our modern times (1980 to present) will we look back 25 years from now and think truly stand out from all the other beautiful Ferraris as something "special"?

    Multiple votes are accepted. Please post if a car you want to vote for isn't listed. IMHO cars like the standard production 308's, 328's, 348's, 355's, 360's, Testarossa, 550, and etc. don't qualify out of definition because they are the common of Ferraris. You would have to make a strong case for one of those cars.
     
  2. taunus

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    All the limited produktion cars like:

    Challenge Stradale, 550 Barchetta, 575 Superamerica, Enzo, F50, F40, 288 GTO, 512 M etc.
     
  3. GrigioGuy

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    Define 'Modern'. 1980-present?

    I think the Fantastic 4 are a no-brainer: 288 GTO, F40, F50, Enzo.

    As much as the 512M guys try to lobby, I just don't see that ever taking on Iconic status.

    Superamerica and Barchetta perhaps, given the open-12 aura.

    Certainly not the 360, 430, 456, 612 or any production street car, including the CS.

    I'm not sure there are many 'special' Ferraris made today
     
  4. rob lay

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    Yes
     
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    You realize there were fewer Mondial 3.2 coupes than F40s?

    There's got to be more to it than production numbers, they have to be interesting and attractive, which is why the 512M doesn't get my vote.
     
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    As said :

    F40, GTO, F512 M , F50 , Enzo , Barchetta , SA , Stradale , 355 Challenge , 348 Spiders..
     
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    Single mirror Testarossa
     
  8. rob lay

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    yes and a 328 GTS and 355 Challenge too. ;)
     
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    First of all, NONE of them will be as special as the 60s drive it to the track, win, drive home cars (the SWB, etc).

    Secondly, the obvious ones (F40, F50, Enzo) will all be considered special.

    The dark horse in the bunch, I would argue, is the BB. It is a direct link between the great road racing cars of the 60s (the P series) and the Enzo. It is the last of the truly hand built, carbuerated beasts, and yet it is still quite usable on the street, even in traffic, etc.

    Furthermore, they were built in relatively small numbers compared to everything which came after them.
     
  10. rob lay

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    I'm kinda surprised the 348 Factory Challenge cars don't get more interest. Aren't there only 38 or 50? Each factory numbered that are street cars, with easily screwed in roll cages. There are a couple beautiful ones in Dallas, yet they don't seem to fetch a high premium.
     
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    Rob, hang onto your challenge car. It is a factory produced car isn't it? I think the factory 355C is going to be hard to find in twenty years. they have been getting used up so there are fewer out there.
     
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    There was a nice unraced yellow/black 348 Challenge listed For Sale forever, in Dallas, about 20K above market value..did you know the owner, Rob?

    The 'right' color though, eh Vern??? LOL!

    Your car is Dr. Earle's car, Rob?
     
  13. rob lay

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    #13 rob lay, Oct 25, 2005
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    Mine isn't a factory challenge and most aren't in the sense of the 348 factory challenge. No 355's were prepared or specially designated from the factory for challenge cars. I'm sure they had some test mules and built some of the 355 challenge cars, but they would have been derived from a street 355. Most 355 challenge cars were built at dealerships with a factory challenge kit.

    Many 348 challenge cars were built like this after the factory too, but the 38 or 50 factory numbered challenge cars were special. As far as I know most were left as original, which means they were completely street cars except for some mild mods (holes for roll cage, suspension, and numbering).

    Of course all 360 Challenge cars were factory built. Here is a pic on the right of a 348 factory challenge car. If someone has a Cavallino handy you can look up the number of these made.
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    All the petrol powered Ferraris will be "special" in twenty-five years...
     
  15. rob lay

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    Mark LaCroix has had his for sale off and on. The one above is his. Very nice car. I'm surprised they don't get a huge premium. Not sure, but I think his was around $60k last I heard.

    LOL - if you think 0846 is a good story, we'll someday talk about 104504. :) Nobody is interested now because the car isn't worth that much and probably never will be.

    Short story is the car carries the 104504 serial number and most parts from Earle's car that won two national championships. Second owner of the car (Ed Martinez R.I.P.) wrecked the car at either Road Atlanta or Road America in 2002. The last available 355 tub from Ferrari was used to rebuild the car from scratch. He only raced a few more times before getting sick. I became next owner of the car. I'm happy because I have about the freshest built 355 Challenge car in the word while still retaining history from the 104504. Best of both in my eyes.

    I'll someday repaint and restore it to exactly how Earle raced it for one of his championship years. With his name on it and all. I prefer the silver paint job from Ed's years, but the yellow with Italian stripe has a little more history. How many tens of thousands of hot wheels models has that car been on? How many pictures has that car been in? Look at a Forza or Cavallino between 1996-1999 and there aren't many issues without a picture of it. Granted most of the pics were FoH ads. :) Dozens while it was winning races too.

    Sorry, I know no one else cares, but I really look up to Doc Earle and the car.
     
  16. BigTex

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    Cavallino has no quantities produced, only (?)...no serial number info either..(?) as well......in Issue #148, for '92 - '94 348 Challenge.

    Factory cars look to be lost among customer/dealer cars.

    (56) '93 - '94 348 Comptizione..........96064 - 99143. Is that them???
     
  17. rob lay

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    You know, who will be the first exotic with an electric version? Maybe one of the less exotics like Porsche I bet. Should be much potential as an electic engine carries so much torque.
     
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    Yes, that is it, I was calling them the wrong thing, I think the official term is Comptizione, although many refer to them as factory challenge cars.
     
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    Dr. Earle is quality.....he was a great host in the Indy pits.........
     
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    $95,000 - $100,000, then, for those.......
     
  21. rob lay

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    Hmm, I need to be at home to go through all my documentation to figure out. That price sounds high.

    Sometimes the Comptizione is used for factory race cars for Le Mans or FIA, but 56 were never built.

    These were all street cars with some very mild mods and a special numbering. 56 was about how many they made. Maybe Cavallino hasn't updated their prices on that in awhile.
     
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    Looking closely they may have an error here, as the same VIN 99143 shows for the last car in the '93 '94 348 GT Compitizione series as well!!!

    (11) built, 120K -135K,.....something's goofy there...big difference in 348 C and 348GT C......!!!!!
     
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    I agree with this as well. and the 288.
     
  25. rob lay

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    Thanks Dave, saved me some brain scratching. I was right to begin with, what I mean are the 348 "Factory" Challenge cars. From the NW FCA site...

    1994 Ferrari 348 tb and ts Factory Challenge (street cars)
    This one causes some confusion. It is often referred to as the 348 "Factory Challenge" car, which is correct, but do not let that fool you into thinking it came out of the factory with racing equipment installed. All 32 tb and 13 ts model 348s imported to the U.S. for model year '94 were Factory Challenge cars, but all were imported in street trim (although I did read one report that in addition to the 45 challenge cars, Ferrari imported 14 ts cars not in Factory Challenge trim for model year '94, but they did have a special monochromatic leather interior). Some were later converted to Challenge specs (as were some Speciale's and earlier cars) by installation of the optional Challenge kit at the dealer. Actually, I think the kit was a delete option, saving you some $14k off the price if you decided not to take it. Some buyers did not take the kit, others took the parts in a box but never converted the car, and others converted and used the car only on the track, which avoided registration and luxury tax.

    Some of the features of the 348 Serie Speciale carried over to the 348 Challenge (also known as 348 CH), such as Speciale paint, chrome Cavallino's front and rear, Spider exhaust, and the drop down main gear. However, the track reverted to 1578 mm (since solid bushings were in the Challenge kit) and the taillight slats returned, as did the standard seats.

    Factory Challenge cars included carpet cutouts for the roll cage (with mounting points already welded in and covered with leather-wrapped caps), mounting points for the five-point harnesses, aluminum pedals (found in the kit if purchased to convert an earlier car) and a larger heat shield. Some cars also had carbon brake cooling ducts and rubberized tow hooks, front and rear. This factory pre-prep allowed installation of the Challenge kit in about sixty man-hours, vs. 110 for an earlier car.
     

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