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Discussion in '348/355' started by Robbe, Apr 21, 2015.

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  1. Robbe

    Robbe Formula Junior
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    Ok, so I got my engine out (5.2) .
    Planning to do all the maintenance that I can think of, "while you're in there".
    So here is my list of things to replace:
    - oil filter
    - air filters
    - fuel filter
    - sparkplugs
    - airco belt
    - power steering belt
    - generator control belt
    - timing belts
    - hill engineering tensioner bearings
    - waterpump (complete new one, or just the bearing?)
    - waterpump seal (or does that come with a new one?)
    - waterpump gasket, but which one? 130932
    - thermostat?
    - gasket set for the covers, with or without the round seals?

    Did I miss something? Or am I overdoing it?
    The engine was last serviced 5 years ago, but did not run much. So waterpump probably still good, but for how long...
    Thanks for any ideas or checklists!
     
  2. phrogs

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    #2 phrogs, Apr 21, 2015
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    Plenty more you could do while in there. Trust me on that.

    Your list is pretty general to me.

    Really it comes to what you want to replace at times.

    I wouldn't replace the thermostat but I would swap all the radiator hoses. Well I will on my car.


    You still have other items you may find need attention "while you're there" like timing bearings for the lower drive gears tend to show leakage after 20.

    Check out Braden's work on the 355s in his sub forum over in the New York section.
    Tons of photos and it kinda paints a picture of common failure points.
     
  3. yelcab

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    You just scratched the surface.

    Add:

    1. Idler pulley bearing for the Alternator
    2. Replace all broken boots on all connectors
    3. Coolant temp sensor for the ECU
    4. Fans, especially if they started blowing the 30A fuse
    5. Radiators, if they leak, or show sign of leakage
    6. Spark plugs, and wires if the wires have been around for a long time
    7. O2 sensors.
    8. Engine mounts, if there is any sign of sagging
    9. Repaint your valve covers
    10. CV boots
    11. The heat exchanger cups if they leak
    12. Time to paint the bumpers
    13. Look at the drive pulleys for the timing belts and see if they need welding
    14. Cam seals, O-rings, cam shaft o-rings.
    15. Re-time the cams
    16. check the hydraulic valve lifters and possibly clean them
    17. Replace all coolant hoses at the front of the engine, and the coolant hoses at the radiators
    18. Engine lid shocks, they are always weak
    19. Front lid shocks, they are almost always weak
    20. Inspect your shocks
     
  4. gobble

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    I have some extra boots I ordered from China that I'd sell cheap, both 2 and 3 wire. They're the ribbed kind like originals and not smooth like the kind you'd buy here.
     
  5. Robbe

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    Wow, thanks! I guess...now I understand where the 10k service comes from :)
    As I am not planning to drop the engine again soon (once reinstalled), I will limit myself to the things that are easier done when the engine is out.
    Coincidentally I already ordered new lid shocks, the original ones, not the ford focus ones.
    Nice to see those on the list as well.

    As for the connector boots, please pm me. I noticed that the ones leading to the injectors are terrible.
     
  6. mwhitesell

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    You left off the hydraulic belt tensioners. These are recommended to replace at 10 years. There is one on each side.
     
  7. 348SStb

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    What a great post.
     
  8. 348SStb

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    1. Fabricate custom heatshield to protect alternator
    2. Install aftermarket exhaust manifolds and wrap with heat shield wrap available at Summit Racing
    3. Install aftermarket catalytic converters
    4. Replace axle boots
    5. **Make sure mechanic sets timing according to techniques known by skilled mechanics - not lining up the lines that are already there or making marks of where the they are now and returning the cams to those marks!
    6. [Flame suit on] If pre-1999 355, perform valve guide job. This will be an additional 15 hours or so of labor from shop doing major service, plus about $1,000 labor from the machinist who will do the work on the heads, plus the cost of all new guides (I would recommend all new valves also). This is preventative maintenance if you plan on keeping your car for a long, long time (as I planned). [Flame suit off]
     
  9. gobble

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    Check your suspension actuators. Two of mine had broken pieces inside and I didn't even know.
     
  10. phrogs

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  11. ernie

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    Send your fuel injectors out for testing and cleaning.

    Have a look at the condition of the heat exchanger for the gearbox oil. They have a tendency to get clogged.
     
  12. lotusk

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    Really check and double check condition of fuel lines and their attachment hardware.
    This includes fuel filler hose.
     
  13. White Knight

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    Excellent thread! I'm going to file this one away for my major this fall/winter.
     
  14. Robbe

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    Thanks all, this is rapidly becoming the most detailed 50k service list for all cars ever.
    If you have not checked every box, than you know that the rest will come soon (when you least expect it).

    But I will have to confess that in my case some jobs are for the future . The valves guides I do not know the condition of, and as the engine is out it is too late to check.
    The headers I am seriously considering, but as I am in Europe, Fabspeed is not really an option. (taxes add a serious 21% vat + another 6% importing tax or so on a already relative high euro amount). So maybe I will have these custom made, shouldn't be too hard for a exhaust artist.
    The other jobs are mostly checking and/or cleaning, and certainly well worth doing.
     
  15. Robbe

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    #15 Robbe, Apr 22, 2015
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    Ok, so here is a summary (hope I have got all things covered)

    To do anyway when the engine is out:
    1. oil filter
    2. air filters
    3. fuel filter
    4. sparkplugs
    5. airco belt
    6. power steering belt
    7. generator control belt
    8. timing belts
    9. hill engineering tensioner bearings
    10. waterpump + seal +gasket, or just the bearing
    11. gasket set for the covers, with or without the round seals
    12. Idler pulley bearing for the Alternator
    13. All broken boots on all connectors
    14. CV boots
    15. Cam seals, O-rings, cam shaft o-rings.
    16. Re-time the cams the TDC way or any other way that is recommended here on the forum, do not rely on the marks alone.
    17. Have the fuel injectors tested and cleaned ultrasonically


    Check and replace/repair when necessary:

    18. Radiators, if they leak, or show sign of leakage, and radiator and coolant hoses engine
    19. Fans, especially if they started blowing the 30A fuse
    20. Engine lid and front lid shocks
    21. Engine mounts, if there is any sign of sagging
    22. timing bearings for the lower drive gears
    23. shock absorbers and actuators (simply just remove the steel clip to have a look)
    24. check the hydraulic valve lifters and possibly clean them
    25. Look at the drive pulleys for the timing belts and see if they need welding
    26. The heat exchanger cups if they leak
    27. Check all fuel lines and connectors, there has been an update I believe
    28. heat exchanger for the gearbox oil


    For people with not much faith in Italian quality or who like to improve, they look into:

    1. Coolant temp sensor for the ECU
    2. O2 sensors.
    3. Thermostat
    4. Fabricate custom heatshield to protect alternator
    5. Repaint your valve covers and perhaps bumper
    6. Install aftermarket exhaust manifolds, ceramic coated or ss wrapped (better no tape , fire danger when oil is spilled somehow!)
    7. Valve guides
    8. Replace hydraulic belt tensioners (not just the bearings)
    9. aftermarket catalytic converters (or test pipes when you live in a non-restricted country)
     
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