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Who is Kirk F. White?

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  1. Teenferrarifan

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    The thread title says it all, who was this man? Where was his dealership if he had one? It appears a huge number of historic ferrari's passed through his hands. Is he still around?
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  2. URY914

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    I believe he was the dealer in Philly.
     
  3. whart

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    He was around a few years ago, selling old hot rods. used to be a ferrari wheeler-dealer- i think the daytona that ran in the first cannonball was his.
    Has he passed on?
     
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    Don't I recall his name on some race cars of the 70's, car owner or sponsor or something? In my memory bank I can picture that name on some 512's in big white letters.


    Either that or it was the character in a James Bond movie played by Jimmy Dean.
     
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    He was the sponsor of the Penske 512M. Your memory is color blind, his name was in Sunoco yellow.
     
  6. dm_n_stuff

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    Erik.

    Kirk F. White is living in Florida now. Probably in his late 70's at this point.

    In the 70's he was a big time exotic car dealer in Philly used and gray market as I recall.

    Actually ran the first classic and exotic car auctions in the early 70's, they were a combination of profit and charity.

    I have pictures from the 1st auction, and a catalog of the cars he sold from either the 1st or second auction buried in the basement somewhere. I'll try to dig them out for you.

    They were held 1st at St. Martin's Church in Radnor, and later at Cabrini College. He had all kinds of cars there, McLarens, Ferraris, Cobras, he may have had a Shelby car or two. There were WWI tanks, all sorts of cool stuff.

    He lived up the street from me when I was growing up. He still sells stuff on ebay now and then. He's who inspired my lifelong desire for a Dino. Drove one past the house for a while in '71 or 72, when I was an impressionable 16 year old. Wanted one then, just took a while to find the right one, I guess.

    I think I have his email address. I'll root around for that too.

    Dave
     
  7. Rifledriver

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    Thats why I remember it. My old boss owned it. It used to sit around in the back of the restoration dept.



    Duh.
     
  8. Teenferrarifan

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    Cool dave!!! Anyone know anything about Bill Rearden? Another main line car guy that owned a lot of f-cars?
    Erik
    PS Let me know about friday Dave?
     
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    Kirk was one of the first guys to advertise used Ferraris for sale. Now lives in New Smyrna, FL right on the beach. Buys & sells Hot Rods and has a great collection of the tin model cars. Interesting character.
     
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    Last picture: guy in yellow shirt; could that be Luca? Or just another guy w/long hair?
     
  11. tx246

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    sadly, kirk white was, and still is, a hell of a lot better guy to the ferrari world than has been made light of here.
     
  12. Teenferrarifan

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    What about bill rearden guys? WSPEER What are the others leaving out care to share please? :)
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    #14 Willis360, Sep 27, 2006
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    Here are a couple of pictures of the CannonBall Run Daytona from a local concours about two years ago. It's in the McCaw Collection.

    A rather weird setting in the lower parking lot of the venue. It had to be done this way because of heavy rains all morning.
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  14. Teenferrarifan

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    Willis I saw that car at the 05 radnor concours it was awesome to see!!!
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    There are a few interesting cars in the second photo I posted. To the right of the picture, next to the Daytona, is a partial view of a 166MM Spyder Corsa owned by a local club member. Behind the Daytona to the right of photo is Jon Shirley's yellow alloy 275 NART Spyder. Next to the NART Spyder is a black 250 GT California Spyder LWB.
     
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    That is a Series 1 Pininfarina Cabriolet 1181/GT.
     
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    LOL! Your eyes are better than my memory. Yes, it's a PF Cab. Had to dig out the event program to see if you're right.
     
  19. Bryanp

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    as far as anyone knows, were Kirk White and Al Garthwaite ever in business together?
     
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    In the 1971 Le Mans programme Kirk White was described as "US West Coast Ferrari distributor", while Chinetti was "US Ferrari importer and East Coast distributor". Roger Penske was racing the 512M heavily reworked by Donohue in immaculate dark blue/yellow SUNOCO livery, the only Ferrari able to challenge the Porsches.
     
  21. dm_n_stuff

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    I don't recall ever hearing that Kirk had any formal relationship with Al Garthwaite.

    They were lving in the same area for some time, and I'm sure ran into each other at the tennis club or whatever, but I don't think they had any formal relationship. (As I recall, the Garthwaite family owned an indoor tennis club/restaurant around that time.)

    The 70's was the period of time when Garthwaite was running East Coast importing for Ferrari, right? Had a big facility in King of Prussia, a Philly suburb, where he ran the cars in. Later, I think that was moved to another area of the suburbs. He partnered with Chinetti on this. I think it was Chinetti-Garthwaite Importers, or vice versa.
     
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    I have a note on the back of a picture of 412 P spider s/n 0854 stating that it was "sold by Kirk White". The picture was taken at Lime Rock, July 11th, 1970.

    Best, Peter
     
  23. Ken

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    That was Willard White.

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  24. BigTex

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    Kirk F. White was a HUGE player on the East Coast in the '70s......as noted he was involved as a Sponsor in:

    Cannonball Run Daytona driven (across a bridge glazed in black ice at one point!) by Dan Gurney...

    512S/M of Penske driven by Mark Donahue, before his tragic death...this car alone is hugely interesting as they rebuilt it top to bottom and ran it long after the Factory had moved on to the newer 312P series......

    And many, many other fine Ferraris. IIRC the definative interview of his exploits can be found in a two part published article in Cavallino magazine.....anyone have the two Issue numbers at hand?

    He deserves a beach front house! Best wishes to Mr. Kirk F. White.
     
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