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Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by andymont, Oct 25, 2008.

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  1. andymont

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  2. Aardy

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    It's the one once with CH plates "VD 192 U". I can't remember the s/n...
     
  3. Aardy

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    I wonder if it's not 3405GT in definitive ??
     
  4. sicqnus

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    Looks like a body made by Piero Drogo's Carrozeria Sports Cars in Modena (not Nembo).

    And nope, not the Ex Ulf Norinder's 250 GTO rebody to me.
    Norinders GTO Drogo body was different but it could have been damaged and badly restored over the years.
    I have a pic of Norinder's GTO with Drogo body taken in 1972, it does not match.

    Overall shape is very close but vents and louvres are different. But to me, almost 100% sure it's a Drogo aluminium body.
     
  5. sicqnus

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    #5 sicqnus, Oct 25, 2008
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    What I can add.
    At the time Piero Drogo was running his workshop, he worked with several people.
    For the technical aspects of the cars : Giotto Bizzarini (but in secret as Bizzarini had cold relations with Enzo Ferrari and Drogo still had contracts with the Scuderia to make Dino's 206s bodies and 250LM bodies, the famous "Long-Nose", some of the P cars too, the N.A.R.T P3's among them). That's why some projects were made in secret. Sometimes with the help of friends like Giogio Neri and Luciano Bonacini (NemBo) who were running their workshop not so far from Drogo. Some projects made by Drogo and Bizzarini (The uber GTO "Breadvan" for example) were made under the cover of NemBo. Later Drogo made a body for Chris Kerrison's SWB #2735GT under the direction of Bizzarini and the long lost SWB #2053GT for a customer of Ecurie Francorchamps.

    Piero Drogo killed himself on its way home driving a 250 California and his widow later married Bob Wallace (Lamborghini).

    Ulf Norinder's sent #3445GT to Drogo in 1965 to get a rebody "a la" 1964 GTO but more curveous and to make #3445GT a stradale car.
    The ex-Norinders GTO body was laying badly damaged in UK in the mid-70's and Rob Lamplough (the then owner who purchased it directly from Norinder) sent it to Carrozzeria Allegretti for restoration.
    Mauro Allegretti was the chief panelbeater at Carrozzeria Fantuzzi (next door to Drogo's shop). It is said that Fantuzzi was involved from time to time in some of Drogo's works (probably to finish in time some cars, most of the small workshops were helping each other).
    But Lamplough finally chose to ask Allegretti to make a new 1962GTO body and the Drogo one stayed for years at Allegretti's workshop (until 1987) when it was found by Ian Webb.
     
  6. El Wayne

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    #6 El Wayne, Oct 25, 2008
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    For clarification, the Ulf Norinder car was 3445 GT, not 3405 or 3455.

    This is no doubt the car that Marcel Massini identifies as 3405 GT in Prancing Horse #102.
     
  7. sicqnus

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    Absolutely right. My bad.
    Corrected. Thanks El Wayne.
     
  8. jhjvdm

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  9. El Wayne

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    Wow, a blast from the past! Joop, where have you been?
     
  10. sicqnus

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    Mystery solved. Aardy was right.
    250 GTE #3405GT
     
  11. GIOTTO

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  12. andymont

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    Thanks to all !

    Ciao

    Andrea
     
  13. Marcel Massini

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    The photos in post #1 show 3405 GT which in 1979 was owned by Swiss scapyard owner and former race driver and car dealer Pierre De Siebenthal, resident in a suburb of Lausanne, Switzerland. De Siebenthal is now deceased. At the time 3405 GT was fitted with a non-matching engine.
    Marcel Massini
     
  14. jhjvdm

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    Hello Wayne,

    I was where I always have been but had other priorities. Once more I wil try to contribute to the forum every now and then.

    Kind Regards,

    Joop van der Meer
     
  15. El Wayne

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    Good to have you back.
     
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  17. Marcel Massini

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    Yes, it is. De Siebenthal had it at the Nürburgring Oldtimer GP August 1979.
    Marcel Massini
     
  18. kare

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    Some people say he died driving a 365 GTC in 1973. Best wishes, Kare
     
  19. GIOTTO

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    #19 GIOTTO, Oct 29, 2008
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    Here is an unidentified creation. Looks like a Drogo but I think it's not original, rather based on another massacred 250. There are numerous such converted cars now. Too many I think. The photo is from the 80's. Maybe someone has more information?
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  20. kare

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    I think Drogo replicas are easier on the eye as they were not very carefully designed in the first place so minor error and variation in shape does not ruin the design, which is the case with original Ferrari designs by Touring, Vignale and Pininfarina. This is 1717GT and yes, it has been modified a little since that time. Best wishes, Kare
     
  21. GIOTTO

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    #21 GIOTTO, Oct 29, 2008
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    Yes, that's right about the shape of the Drogo bodied cars. Now, if this one is really #1717GT, it is not a recreation but a real Drogo car. Here are some more photos with #1717GT and the different noses.
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    #22 brilou31, Jan 23, 2015
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    Hi all !

    First of all I may introduce myself (it's my first post on FChat !) : I'm a french guy, not yet Ferrari owner, but really Ferrai lover ! I used to share with some owners in French forums and I discovered few days ago pics of a 250 GT which seems to look like the one you shared the pic in your post from 2008...

    7 years later, I would like to share with you those pics to discover a little bit more about this mysterious body.

    According to you, it seems to be a Drogo body, but the person who took the pics (also in the 80's) had the chance to scan the registration card too.

    This chassis seems to be 1523GT (restamped by factory in 1961, as we can read on the registration card the date of delivery : 0/0/1961) the new number of 1033GT (original 1523GT, known as last "interim" chassis, has been totally destroyed in 1961, only may remain somewhere the engine...)

    So if the pics are in concordance with registration card, 1523GT had in the 80's a Drogo body (or recreation...)

    Does someone has more information about this mysterious 1033/1523GT ?

    Many thanks !
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  23. GIOTTO

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    Interesting photos. Thank you and welcome on Fchat. Nose and rear modified several times. Why ? After a crash ? But #1523 on the French registraton card is a mystery.
     
  24. tyziocayo

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    But I have a doubt with 2707GT
     

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