Who likes the 944 Turbos?

C&D did a 4.6 sec. 0-60 in a US spec 911 Turbo in their February (if I remember correctly) 1986 issue. They revved the crap out of the car to get that number.

C&D got a 5.5 sec 0-60 out of a 1988 Turbo S that had optional factory gearing (topped out at 140mph). They said in the article that they would expect the stock S to meet that number as the car they tested required an extra shift to hit 60.

FWIW.

Joe

 

You can make big power from a 944 for little money. Very easy to make a very competent track-day monster.

--Dan

 

Yes, that would be about right on the 911t. My 4.58 on an 88 911t showed the same number.You had to rev the hell out of them to launch properly. But the clutch and tranny would stand up to more thrashing than is known to man.

 

Heres a bit of education for you about the Porsche models.

930 3.3 liter:
Horsepower: 300 bhp @ 5500 rpm
Torque: 304 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm
Curb Weight = 2,600 lbs.
lb per horse: 8.9
0-60: 4.6

993 Turbo:
Horsepower: 400 bhp @ 5750 rpm
Torque: 400 lb-ft @ 4500 rpm
Curb Weight = 3,064 lbs
lb per horse: 7.66
0-60: 3.9

Porsche Boxster S
Horsepower: 250 bhp @ 6250 rpm
Torque: 225 lb-ft @ 4500 rpm
Curb Weight = 2,855
lb per hose = 11.42
0-60: 6.0

996 Turbo
Horsepower: 415 bhp @ 6000 rpm
Torque: 413 lb-ft @ 2700 rpm
Curb weight = 3,460
lb per horse = 8.33
0-60: 3.8

Note: The vast amouts of early torque is what allows the 996 To keep up with the 993 and defeat the 930 to 0-60 despite its pig like weight.

Perhaps now you can see why your Boxster felt like a slug and why the 930 is considerably faster.

 

Very nice Eos. And look at the weight of the 3.3 litre! Nice recap. That says it all!!

 

I currently have a track prepped 89 944 turbo. The car is amazing for the price. I have spent quite a good amount of money on repairs but you can expect that from just about any car when it is heavily tracked. however, after the small bugs were worked out the car has been nothing but a perfect performer. It has an upgraded turbo, MAF kit, huntley racing port and polish, exhaust, gutted, caged and many more small mods that make the baby move and I can honestly say for the price I dont think I have come across a vehicle that can outperform it at the track. My father drives a track prepped 993 and the 944 just steps all over his car with the mods I have done. Even 996TTs cant really get away from the car when set up correctly. For under 20k worth of work I think that is a wonderful deal. As far as the car goes for daily driving, if you buy one that is not track prepped and keep it relitively stock so that you dont run into reliabilty issues, i think you will have a wonderful car. Add a chip, exhaust and some small suspension work and you will have a fast, well handling daily driver for under 12k.

 

whoops, just spotted an error. lb per horse for the 930 should be 8.66, not 8.9. (2,600 / 300 = 8.66667). Though varying sources listed the curb weight on the 930 from 2,600 to 2,660 lbs so it doesn't matter all that much anyway.

 

Been a lurker for quite a while. Ferrarichat has great topics (The Official Bikini thread comes to mind). I own a 1986 944 Turbo.

The general consensus is that if you are going to mod a 951 with items such as larger turbo etc. etc. etc. then any year car will do. The reason is that most of the positives that you would get out of a 944 Turbo S would be replaced with your mods anyway. For an unmodded car the S is the most sought after. Note, that 1986 cars use "early" offset wheels so aftermarket rims aren't as plentiful as the 87-89 cars. I'm currently hunting for Fikse's or Kinesis wheels so that's no big deal for me. There are several owners that prefer the 86's for reasons such as weight (no ABS or airbags, came with forged rods) while others prefer the later cars with airbags, chain tensioners and a few other amenities.

If you want to buy one you should look for maintenance/upkeep first and foremost. A cheap Porsche is the most expensive Porsche. With that in mine they are addictive, quick, and will put a grin on your face every drive. For $3,000 you can make serious HP numbers and $h@#faced grins on all passengers.

If you want to know EVERYTHING 944, 944 Turbo, 968 etc. then go to www.rennlist.com and follow the 944 links. There are some serious tuners that participate in the BBS there (Speedforce Racing, Guru, Vitesse etc. etc.) as well as many replacement part suppliers.

BTW, they're belts and def. not chains.

 

I've owned it 3 years. Rennlist is awesome. I'm sure that you'll find everything that you need there.

I didn't see Keith's video. How'd I miss that, link, or can you tell me the name of the thread?

 

Shame you are so far away, my 89 is for sale, very nice example it is too.

 

K27 that is beautiful...where are you located?

 

I am in Vancouver BC, Thanks.

 

These are great cars.....

The only caveat is that they can "easily" require 1/3 to 1/2 of the initial purchase price in corrective and preventative maintenance if you are not careful with your purchase.

A lot of turbo's also got chipped.....and as a result of low budget owners searching for big low budget HP gains.....the rest of the work that should have been done to a chipped and modded car like new and better quality head studs......steel O-ring head gaskets.....etc.....etc....was passed on due to the cost.

The end result is expensive......to say the least. And it's often the reason why it is left for the next owner to worry about.......just like the F-car major services in some cases.

 

It's an awesome little car, not much can keep up with it on the twisties, Very easy to drive quickly.
Maintenance is timing belts and water pump at around 30,000 to have piece of mind, should run you around 6-700 bucks, other than that just change the oil regularly.
If you want to mod the car you can start off mild and go wild if you like.
A good set of chips, fuel pressure regulator and a wastegate shim put it around 280 hp with gobs of torgue, and very reliable.
Car is a local one with 62,000 miles, no known issues, just had an inspection and all was good, does need new tires though.
M030 adjustable sport suspension, sport seats, a/c works but may be getting low on charge.
Thats black metalic by the way and the black interior is very nice, no scuffs or tears.
The wheels are Porsche OEM off a 911/993 with painted center caps.
priced at 16,000 US.

Thanks
Lance

ps. you can ask on rennlist all the local guys know my car and some recon, it's about the nicest original car around.

 

I think you only need to change the speedometer for miles, check with your local Vehicle licensing before you buy a car.

 

I've had my 944 Turbo for about 8 years now. Don't really have any complaints at all, would buy another one in an instant. Only thing is it does cost more than my previous Supra to maintain, but it definitely is a much, much better car. Looking forward to a 328 sometime in the future.

"http://www.eurocompulsion.net/951comm.zip"

Hey, that's my video. More of them available on my 951 RacerX website.

Also various magazine articles I've scanned comparing the '88 944 TurboS vs. '88 911 Turbo. Also a comparison with a 328 as well.

One factor that hasn't been considered in 0-60 times is traction. The 911 with its rearward weight bias has tremendous grip for acceleration. So with equivalent high-HP cars, most front-engined cars would be spinning their tires while the 911 would hook up immediately. I would estimate that the traction advantage alone is worth about 0.5 sec. in the 0-60 run.

"A good set of chips, fuel pressure regulator and a wastegate shim put it around 280 hp with gobs of torgue,"

Yup the 944 Turbo has great upgrade potential. My GURU chip upgrade gives an additional +60hp/+80-100 lb*ft over stock (dyno-charts posted in the GURU Forums). So a 944 TurboS ends up at 310-325 bhp (around 280rwhp) and 330-350 lb*ft. The torque-curve is flatter than that of a 911 Turbo, so you won't feel that sudden kick in the back of the pants as much. But you'll shave about 0.5-0.75s off the stock 0-60 time of 5.5s and be high 4s range. You also end up with constantly fast acceleration to redline in 5th gear easily, around 172mph.

With a higher redline set in the chips, 185mph @ 7000rpm is possible, also required an additional upgrade on top of the chips replace the stock flapper-door air-flow meter with a MAF/MAP sensor in order to get the 370bhp (315rwhp) necessary. All that for less than $1500 in upgrades.


"It's an awesome little car, not much can keep up with it on the twisties, Very easy to drive quickly."

Yeah, while ultimate acceleration & top-speed honors may not be the 944 Turbo's claim to fame, the handling is superbe. Skidpad figures in the 0.89-0.91g range when it was new with P6/P7 tyres. With modern or R-compound track tyres, over 1.0g is quite easy.

The flared fenders also allow the use of WIDE wheels and tyres. Such as my 17x10.5/11.5" BBS race wheels with 275 & 315mm tyres :



Anyone got a 328GTS for sale???

 

"I currently have a boxter s, 250 hp, and it feels like a slug in a straight line. Thats only 50 horse less than the 930."

Yeah, but it has only 225 lb*ft torque and weights 2855lbs. That's a significant 92 lb*ft less than the 930 and a couple hundred extra pounds as well.

"I just don't see how 300 hp will propel a 930 to 60 in less than 5 seconds. Especially since 930's have tall gearing/4speeds."

That's because you have to think weight and torque, not HP. Take two Ferraris with comparable HP ratings, a Testarossa and 288GTO. They both have roughly the same HP of 375-381bhp. So how can the 1100 lb HEAVIER Testarossa accelerate from 0-60 and do the 1/4-mile in pretty much same times as the 288GTO? The HP-to-weight ratios are completely different, why the identical performance? The difference is in the torque-curve. Typically revvy and peaky with torque only in a single narrow band on the 288GTO. On the Testarossa, the torque-curve is wide and flat with gobs of torque everywhere. In fact, you can even floor it in a Testarossa in 5th gear at 1/2 idle-speed and it wll take off smoothly.

Another way to look at this comparison is to load up the 288GTO with 1100 lbs of lead weights. We now have two cars with identical weights and HP ratings (same HP-weight ratio as well). What do you think will happen to their identical performance figures? The 288GTO would probably take a full 2 seconds more to do 0-60 and 1/4-mile runs, trailing the Testarossa significantly.

 

Nicely said. Both posts. I was beating my head against the wall early in this thread talking about my 4.58 I ran in my 88 930. You put the results with reasons.

 

danno aka " 951 racer x" is the man. ive been reading his stuff on rennlist for quite some time now. he knows his stuff.

 

I will add one useless comment: if ever there was a porshce I liked, it's the 930 turbo...holy jeeze louise.... That is a hairy diamond!

--Dan

 

Just wonder where you have gone. You basically called me a liar, and then havent shown up to admit you dont know your azz from your elbow when it comes to these cars.