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Whom thinks Jim Chalmers is the worst Federal Treasurer of all time?

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  1. carl888

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    Let me ask a different way. If you could earn 50% more money working on some Government funded building project, would you think that would have no bearing on the costs associated with building in the private sector?

    Bankrolling TAFE won't make any difference. You only have to look at how the Vietnamese and Chinese communities have started to make inroads into the painting and plastering trades.

    Hong Kong and Australia in terms of construction, has three fundamental differences:

    1. Unions do not have the power they do here.
    2. If you do not work in Hong Kong, you are living in the streets. Unless you have a private income.
    3. There is far less red tape (pun intended) in Hong Kong.

    It's all about business in Hong Kong. People just love to get stuff done. Because if they don't, someone else will.
     
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  2. carl888

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    I don't see how an increase in trades of any kind is going to build more houses.

    The notion that a single person living in their own house that happens to be a large, should they sell it, will fix the housing crisis, is absurd. There is no way these people should be responsible for the stupidity and entitlement of others. Furthermore, there's no incentive to downsize anyway.

    How about a proposal that all Government departments must be located in a regional area?
     
  3. kerrari

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    Please understand there is virtually NO CROSSOVER between the large construction companies who build public projects and the smaller companies that build single houses and small unit developments. Lack of TRADESMEN is exactly the problem in Australia right now (and has been building for 25 years). Just as well the Vietnamese/Chinese tradesmen are making 'inroads', otherwise you'd be hard put to find anyone to do that work.
    Can I ask - have you actually tried to build / get repairs done in the last 12 months? Maybe since Mel is the only place with falling prices it might be different, but here on the Coast it is almost impossible.
     
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    #29 Arvin Grajau, Jul 7, 2025
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    YOU have NFI , my core lending for several years has been to small to medium developers in Melbourne. I'd suggest I'm far more in tune with Melbourne values than you.

    A simple Google will tell you Melbourne house prices have been rising .. Medium-sized homes rose 1% to May, while medium-sized units rose 2.1%.

    When lending, apart from the concerns of sales and LVR/security, my questions are about tradespeople's availability. As always you crap on about Chinese tradespeople coming to the rescue, once again NFI ...Various trades have been taken up by a whole group of "Nations" Afgahans are doing much of the tiling now, Indians doing much of the cement work and others, other trades.

    There is NOT a lack of tradespeople in Australia -As Carl pointed out to you, why would you work on a building site when you can earn 50% on a Govt project? The question should BE..the quality of the work ...NOT the lack of tradies..


    Are you dumb ? Or just get a kick out of arguing?

    PS....I only came on here as your stupid comments were mentioned on the WhatsApp group many of us now frequent, and well done, as I've said before, you are the reason so many of us don't come on here any more ! How was Northern Italy this year LOL..
     
  5. Gleggy

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    He's right up there with another Jim.
    Jim Cairns.
    Lets hope with the amount of money that the labor party has got us into debt in almost every state and federally, that they don't pull another stunt like the Loans Affair.
     
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  6. IanB

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    Mr Xi is ready to sign us up for Belt & Road. Albo thinks its a great idea.
     
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  7. carl888

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    More entitled socialism.

    Another leftie from the Grattan Institute is recommending to the government that the family home be included in the assets test for the age pension.

    "It noted that under the assets test a partial age pension “continues to be payable to couples with income of almost $100,000 a year or assets of almost $1.05 million, in addition to their principal home of unlimited value”

    The age pension is $525 a week for singles or $800 for couples. Not exactly living in luxury, especially in Melbourne or Sydney. Forget having a car or private health insurance if this is your sole form of income. And that's the maximum. It drops when you start to have any meaningful assets. Oh, and it's taxable.

    Brendan Coates, housing and economic security program director at the Grattan Institute, says the system means retirees “can be in Potts Point or Toorak with a $5m house and receive the same pension that a person in a $500,000 unit in Bendigo or Bathurst is receiving”.

    https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/plibersek-warned-over-wealthy-pensioners-20250724-p5mhet

    As if Potts Point and Toorak residents are all getting the age pension.

    That's fine. Just don't tax people their entire working lives up to 47 cents on every dollar they earn in income tax, plus 10 cents on every dollar they spend in GST, with the rational that they're going to get an age pension, means tested, excluding their home, when they get to 65. Then take it away from them because the roof over their head, which they need to live under and can't get an income from, has appreciated.

    Politicians, of course, have all their "special exemptions". Special pensions. Special tax exemptions. Unbelievable.

    We're heading more and more left every day. Which is fine, until you run out of someone else's money.
     
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    There is no statute of limitations for the ATO to pursue taxes and penalties on tax evasion.
    But the Greens have pushed the Albanese government to forgive fraudulent
    welfare claims more than six years old.

    Labor agreed, which could cost $4.9 billion, despite a recent full
    federal court ruling that the Ombudsman was wrong and the government was
    right.

    The Greens and Labor. Pandering to their voting base. And you wonder why
    the government is broke. Gross financial mismanagement. Getting worse
    every year. Because there is nobody to challenge them. I know where this
    is heading. But I'm wondering where it is going to end up.

    https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/labor-may-forgive-1-1b-in-welfare-debt-after-landmark-ruling-20250717-p5mfno
     
  10. carl888

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    Chalmers has decided to tax EVs.

    Victoria did it. 2.8c/km. Until a High Court decision in 2023, brought
    on by one EV driver taking on the Victorian Government, struck down the
    law. This led to the government having to refund $7m to EV drivers.

    Now it is back on the table at a federal level, because that government
    can introduce excise taxes.

    The Feds get 50.8c on every litre of fuel sold. It raises $26.6 billion
    annually. The average mid sized, modern SUV burns 9l/100kms. So the
    government gets 4.5c/km in excise tax. But if someone goes electric,
    they get nothing. Currently the average excise tax per driver is around
    $1,200 annually.

    If a driver goes to electric, the Feds miss out on that.

    It's interesting to learn that the states are lobbying Chalmers to share
    the love around. To dolly out the Fed's EV tax to the states.
    Interesting because they didn't get a share of the excise tax.
    Victoria's treasurer committed to using the proceeds to "Fix Victorian
    Roads". History shows that any new revenue Victoria gets, just like last
    year's doubling of the Fire Levy, just goes into the big pot, emptied
    out by The Big Build.

    Also interesting is that despite the High Court decision against
    Victoria, NSW Treasurer Daniel Mookhey told The AFR that it plans to
    introduce its own EV tax on July 27 or whenever EV's reach 30% of new
    car sales and that their plan had “not been challenged in the courts
    yet”. WA also plans to introduce an EV tax in July 1, 2027, at 2.5c/km.

    Governments. Never a tax cut. Only more taxes.

    EVs are more expensive than ICE cars, they depreciate much faster, have
    limited range, have to be charged overnight if you're not at home and
    now they'll be taxed per km. It doesn't make a very compelling consumer
    argument, despite the "carbon neutral" mandate of the government.

    Let's not forget: They run on coal mostly, anyway.
     
  11. carl888

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    I'm getting wound up, will this insanity ever end? What I can't get my head around with Government expenditure, is that the core problem appears to be simply waste. How can half the voting population receive the majority of their income from benefits?

    Chalmers has no proposal to increase revenue through productivity, his M.O. is simply to tax people even further.

    The top marginal rate of 47% (including Medicare) cuts in at 190k. Today, that isn't exactly a fat cat income. Considering we still pay 10% GST along with all the other value based taxes added in, rates, land tax, the government gets a huge chunk of every post tax dollar.

    Federal and state politicians, and their staff, pay no contribution tax on their super, nor does their super pay any tax on it's earnings. While everybody else pays 15% on both. And they're also exempt from this new 30% tax. As well as the judges. And their benefits are defined, so even if the stock market crashes, they aren't affected. Incredible isn't it? Or are we too worried about gender identity politics.
     
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    The figure is 60% in France, which is a country with overwhelming govt interference in every aspect of life and business, resulting in 20% youth unemployment and 1% economic growth. Because people are voting for their income, it's now impossible for a non-socialist party to be elected.
     
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    OK, try this. Call a local tradesperson and offer them 50% more than their quoted rate. Tell them you simply wish to offer the same rate as what they would earn on a Government project. Then tell them they can turn up when they want, make them lunch, and give them a day off a fortnight for "Mental wellbeing". Don't forget to throw in a slab of XXXX, a carton of smokes and a bottle of Jim Beam every Thursday. Then make sure to order 100% more materials for the job they actually require, but tell them to take it home gratis. Don't forget to pay them in cash. Under those conditions, you will have no issue finding a tradie.

    I have no issue in Melbourne finding any tradespeople however the market is tough here, building has slowed under the crushing increases of taxes and further bureaucratic self serving rubbish.
     
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    E.G.
    One of my younger relatives, 2nd year out of his time, licensed sparky, now on 250k per year in the mines, do you think he will come and do your lights in your extension?
    AirCon /electrician 65 - 70 an hour just to try and employ them iffffffffff they turn up
    Con-creatures 800 -1000/day and their sole capital investment is a slurry splattered level and a pair of footy shorts.
    These moronic labor voters have yet to realise what is coming. Companies are closing up or going broke at an alarming rate, building costs have tripled or quadrupled in the last 5/6 years and the large part of it gov charges and red tape.
    As more and more of the baby boomers and last of them move into retirement, that working taxable target disappears and the incompetent spending accelerates, these Socialist will have to dream up more ways to delve deeper into everybody's pockets.
    And it will be morally disgusting how they will sell it and look straight into the camera convince the average dopy Australian that it wont affect them.
    Bomber harris said it years ago, "You have sown the wind now you will reap the whirlwind"
     
  15. kerrari

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    The problem is there are too many loopholes - lots of people arranging finances so they qualify for pension - top of the list of most 'financial planners' is upgrading to a more expensive home to reduce assessable assets (particularly rife here on Sunshine Coast where one or two oldies move into massive waterfront mansions to lock up cash).
    Simple solution for the house exemption is simply have a 'deduction' equal to the mean value of property in the area. So somewhere like here where minimum house price is $1m then someone in a $1.2m place has a $200k impost. As a side benefit, this might help to bring house prices back to something reasonable.

    NOBODY pays the top rate of 47% on their total salary: even at $250,000 the tax averages out at 35.3% . Not to mention the benefits Australian tax gives you: childcare, essential medical care, etc etc

    If you make $250,000 a year living in Australia, you will be taxed $88,167. That means that your net pay will be $161,833 per year, or $13,486 per month. Your average tax rate is 35.3% and your marginal tax rate is 47.0%.
     
  16. kerrari

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    The answer to your first question is 1) aging population and this will escalate from here as the majority of the Boomers are still to come... 2) dysfunctional families and young adults. People WANT to be diagnosed as autistic these days so they can claim a benefit; yet people who are deaf/blind (through no fault of their own) make do on a pittance (and in my experience at Braille House, don't whinge any where near as much as others)! It is now a dog-eat-dog world. Everybody feels 'entitled' to get something and the false narrative of how much they REALLY pay in to the tax system feeds this.

    re Tax, the mean income is around $120, so even a family with 1.5x (ie one partner working full time,, the other half time) is making $180k - still below when the 47% cuts in. Then take away all the benefits they get (child care, medical etc).
    The pollies, judges etc is a different kettle of fish... and perhaps we could start with them and reduce the fat.
     
  17. kerrari

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    Carl, come up and test your theory here - I can tell you it won't work because NO head contractors are looking for work, they are all desperately trying to get jobs they contracted up to 2 years ago finished before they get their asses sued! Margins are over 20%, builders won't even look at a contract which includes a liquidated damages clause. As you said, things are tough down there, here the boom is still in full swing. We are now beyond $10,000/m2 for architectural builds here. And this is before the Olympic stupidity starts up...
     
  18. kerrari

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    Mate this mess lies fairly and squarely with your hero Howard - the ridiculous 'aspiration' crap around the turn of the century pushed the 'every kiddie can go to university, become a professional, buy an investment property and get rich' crap which is what led to our current mess. We are seeing the "whirlwind' now that has been 25 years in the making.
    Tradies were treated like dummies for years - now they get their revenge!
     
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    Karen, we can thank Whitlam for pushing kids away from trades and off to the traditional socialist hotspots of university. I was one of those kiddies at school then and the push was university over trades
     
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    With all due respect that is NOT correct - the Whitlam change was to make university free for those who QUALIFIED academically (it was extremely competitive in schools such as Architecture) - no 'pay ya money and get a fuzzy degree' as Howard brought in.
     
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    You're missing the point that trades were on the nose from the 70's to the 2000's. Nobody noticed as there were still a lot of old guys around. Those old guys are gone now and we are paying the price for pushing young men to university - which started with Whitlam - trades were already done and dusted when Howard came to power.
     
  22. kerrari

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    That is just not true - the university number did NOT jump in the 70s because you had to QUALIFY for entry. The change came when Howard turned unis into 'business' and anyone willing to pay (or take on a hecs debt) got a place...
     
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    Oh, are we saying people who picked trades were INCAPABLE of Qualifying for University?? How elitist of you..
     
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    Save your breath John. I have twice pointed out that it was a Labor Education Minister, John Dawkins, who "turned unis into business" yet she persists with attributing this to Howard.
     
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    In my opinion, these days (apart from the very few real degrees) Uni is for idiots.

    The fact that hard working people in real jobs have to subsidise the morons who don’t know who they are or what they want to do - so they tread water at uni for a few years - is a national disgrace.
     
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