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Why does my F 355 stall out (almost) when the fan kicks on?

Discussion in '348/355' started by ready321now, Mar 30, 2014.

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  1. SoCal1

    SoCal1 F1 Veteran
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    Jun 14, 2011
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    Sorry to here

    1 thing I would do is look at the last thing you did to the car, wire the camera
    Disconnect it, if the car hesitated when you installed it that makes no sense unless you messed something up
    Check fuses

    Good Luck and dont freak out, think rational
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  2. ready321now

    ready321now Formula Junior

    Jan 5, 2013
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    Thanks....yeah I removed the ground to the camera, but no luck. I checked all of the fuses and an not sure how to check the relays, so I switched compatible ones, which have the same part #. I found a blown air pump fuse (15A) and replaced it with the spare, to no avail. Tried an ECU reset, but no start. I jiggled the connections to the Thermo-ECU and what I thought was the solenioid, just to make sure nothing was disconnected or loose. Switched the relay which controls "ignition switch" items, but no luck. I sacrificed 20 bulls and that didn't seem to help either.

    Since cash-flow is now an issue, I wonder how much it would be to repair a manifold? -even though I would rather replace them. God knows what the other problems are all about. No luck searching the forum on why it won't crank over with full battery power and alarm obviously disabled (beep-beep).

    I really wish Ferrari would warranty their obviously defective manifolds. I guess they figure I have a boat full of cash somewhere.

    And Ferrari never showed today. They now say Tuesday. SO, I threw a car cover on it as it bakes in the driveway of a woman I am seeing, since AAA cannot access my garage via flatbed, and it is uphill.

    I knew what I was getting myself into way before I bought the car...just didn't expect it all to cascade downhill so soon.
     
  3. SoCal1

    SoCal1 F1 Veteran
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    I'm sure its something real simple if the alarm beeps twice
    If its an F1 maybe neutral switch.
    Again most likely from something you last touched on the car
     
  4. johnk...

    johnk... F1 World Champ
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    Sorry to hear of your continuing problems. But as my previous post suggested I did not believe that the "fix" was all there was to this. You just can not go off with these internet fixes without first ascertaining that there isn't some other underlying problem. It doesn't matter how expert the person suggesting the fix is, there is no substitute for proper diagnosis and that can not be done over the internet with no contact with the actually car.

    Again, sorry to hear of the continuing problems and I do hope you get the car sorted. It's certainly no fun to have to be shelling out hard earned cash over and over again, particularly if it is a economic hardship. Best of luck going forward.
     
  5. bobzdar

    bobzdar F1 Veteran

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    Are you holding the key in the start position for a few seconds? For whatever reason, mine sometimes needs it held in the start position to 5 to 10 seconds if it's been sitting a while. It's caught me out once or twice thinking the battery needed a charge, but if I held it on start for 5 seconds or so it'd kick over and be fine.
     
  6. ready321now

    ready321now Formula Junior

    Jan 5, 2013
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    When starting the car, I usually wait until the beep stops, which is about 5-6 seconds. I have not tried to hold the key forward though. That is something to trey tomorrow I suppose. Thanks for the idea. Wonder what it means that yours does that occasionally?
     
  7. ready321now

    ready321now Formula Junior

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    I hear ya. I guess Ferrari will be next to find out what is going on. I suppose I could bring it to the independent shop bearby,but I am hoping, perhaps foolishly, that Pat at Ferrari of Long Island will throw me a bone, so to speak, since I have spent so much there so far. If not, I suppose it will be sitting for a while while I gather more cash for repairs. Nouvalari headers are $2700, plus prob 1000 for Ferrari to install.
     
  8. johnk...

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    #58 johnk..., Apr 19, 2014
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    Goth, I appreciate that figure but aside form the fact that I can envision a number of other flow paths (I spent the first 10 years of my career as an aerodynamicist analyzing jet engine intake ducts and exhausts) I would like you and others to consider what happens when the fan is NOT running and the car is sitting still idling. If the fan is not running then the air inlet duct going to the engine will be sucking air both through the door jam area and from behind the radiator as shown below. There is nothing to stop the engine from sucking some portion of the intake air from behind, and through the radiator. There is no check valve. So air heated from passing backwards through the radiator is going to be present when the car sits idling and the fan is off. I would suggest that if the fan switching on is the issue it is because of what Dave Helms mentioned, the sudden drop in pressure in the duct results in starving the engine of intake air and the engine stumbles. [edit] As I think more about it, blocking off the corners of the radiator should actually make that effect worse since, if there is back flow through the corners of the radiator it would tend to lessen the magnitude of the pressure pulse. With the corners blocked off there is no "pressure relief" so to speak. [end edit]
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  9. gothspeed

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    #59 gothspeed, Apr 19, 2014
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    an f-car having more than 'one' problem ...... who would have thought ..... I don't think anyone with any 355 experience did .... ;)

    it is quite established that 'sorting' a 355 ......... is not as easy as 'sorting' most any other car and it may take quite a while to get it right .... and even then, issues will still pop up ......... but you have to start somewhere ......... so correct your headers and check the entire exhaust system ..... check vacuum levels on all TBs ..... check your coolant hoses (especially the small ones on the reservoir) and the coolant system in general .... check your thermostat function ..... o2 sensors ...... pull your DTC codes ...... etc etc*

    *Note: the possible cause or causes should not be limited to the component check list above. Be patient, be methodical, keep posting and doing forum searches here, as well as in the Technical Q&A Section ........ :)

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  10. gothspeed

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    #60 gothspeed, Apr 19, 2014
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    Interesting hypothesis John (post#58) ............. except when the 'shrouds' are installed as illustrated in the other thread ......... the fan can and still evacuates just as much air from the duct cavity as before (possibly more, as the warm 'back flow' is no longer reverting to the front of the radiator) ....... the 'shroud' result being, the 'fan on' engine stumble is reduced to very near zero. Which would indicate the 'air pressure' in the duct cavity/engine inlet, is not appreciably diminished during the 'fan on' condition.

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  11. ready321now

    ready321now Formula Junior

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    Thanks, I appreciate the positive boost. I figured I would be putting cash into a $45,000 car, and I have. At this point my plan is to do the headers first, and assume that I will have to do the valve guides in the next few years. And the cats, too. And fix the top. And the alarm, which beeps 4x. Quite a lot of things, but I will get it all done at some point. I plan to not sell the car, so it's gonna be a long ride.

    Sorted so far:

    New clutch
    New tires
    Engine-out service done
    Plugs
    Coolant system
    LH radiator
    New Muffler (Nouvalari Sport)
    Took care of the stickies
    New rear axle boots
    New main oil line

    Left to go:
    Valve guides
    Manifolds
    Convertible top wont open
    Electrical issues

    Oh well. At least my money goes into the F 355, and not to some casino.
     

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