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Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by ross, Apr 29, 2022.

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  1. ross

    ross Three Time F1 World Champ
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    #1 ross, Apr 29, 2022
    i have recently driven the portofino, the roma, the 812, and the f8.

    they are extremely efficient machines, and performed spectacularly.

    but they all felt odd.

    the drive-by-wire steering, accelerator, brakes, and all the other aids, made me feel completely disconnected from the cars and what they were doing and going through.

    they feel like computer games that are attached to your brain - like a borg or a simulator.
    they dont feel like they need me there, or really need more than for me to initiate the inputs while the computer does the rest.

    my older ferraris need me. they cannot function without me, they communicate to me when i press on the brakes, when i turn the wheel, and when i step on the accelerator - and all the variations of how i do those things.

    i am not saying that i will never own a ferrari newer than i have now, however, i am not yet convinced that i will ever enjoy a newer car more than my old ones.
     
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    #2 Twosherpaz, Apr 29, 2022
    Older cars are definitely cool. My favorite car is the 2005 FXX and street car favorite is probably the 2004 Challenge Stradale. Having said that, you can go a lot faster, safer in the newer cars. I enjoy tracking cars and the more modern car’s speed and acceleration are what is so enthralling about them.
     
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  3. Dave Bertrand

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    #3 Dave Bertrand, Apr 29, 2022
    You took the words right out of my mouth. This is why I bought a 328, which is the last and best analog Ferrari, IMO. It demands a lot from the driver and rewards you when you drive it well.
     
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  4. ross

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    #4 ross, Apr 29, 2022
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    track efficiency always gets better with the new technology. no question about that.

    however, on the street, i actually think these new cars are in some ways MORE dangerous since they give inexperienced drivers more confidence to go faster, but at some point that can end in an even bigger disaster.
    just my opinion.
     
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  5. Dewinator

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    #5 Dewinator, Apr 29, 2022
    Exactly how I feel. Not just Ferraris either. All cars.
     
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  6. Jack-the-lad

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    #6 Jack-the-lad, Apr 29, 2022
    Well, I could own a Boxster GTS 4.0 6 speed with no problem.
     
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  7. Dewinator

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    #7 Dewinator, Apr 29, 2022
    I don’t know the new electric steering feels a lot number than older Porsches to me.
     
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    #8 Jack-the-lad, Apr 29, 2022
    To be honest I haven’t driven one. What model year did electric steering come in?
     
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  9. Dewinator

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    #9 Dewinator, Apr 29, 2022
    2012!
     
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    #10 Bullfighter, Apr 29, 2022
    I would extend your comment to almost all modern cars. I’m glad to have had a 308 and 328, and now that I’m back to Porsche I have a 964 and would only consider replacing it with a long hood 911. It’s all about the experience, and classic cars offer that.

    For a comfortable cross country trip, the newer cars win. But they aren’t really an event to drive.

    Unfortunately prices are starting to reflect this…


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  11. ChipG

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    #11 ChipG, Apr 30, 2022
    If you do not mind me asking, what is your age? I'm 52
     
  12. MrF355

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    #12 MrF355, Apr 30, 2022
    The newer cars are more sterile in how they drive but that is the same for all new cars today. The older models are an event when you drive them because you are driving them they are communicating with you in a different way to the newer cars. They may be much faster than an older model but really when have you gone on a drive and said to yourself I wish I was going faster, cornering faster?
     
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  13. ross

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    #13 ross, Apr 30, 2022
    i am older than you by 5 years.
    i learned to drive a manual in a 356, and my available cars when in high school were that 356, and a 77 porsche 930 and an 86 mercedes 500se.
    my first car was an mgb.
    so i started out completely analog, and maybe thats why i like that driving experience more.
     
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    #14 ross, Apr 30, 2022
    the other thing i wonder about in the newest ferraris, is how would you deal with the cars if the battery was dead?
    there are no mechanical buttons now, they are all screen based tactile stimulated 'buttons' so nothing will show or work if there is no juice.
    what are the dangers of jump starting essentially a computer on wheels?
    or moving a car around the garage by pushing it when you cannot even tell if you are in neutral?
     
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    #15 Ffre92, Apr 30, 2022
    I think the electric steering still feels great, I would have believed my 981 gts was hydraulic if you told me. It doesn’t wriggle as much as my 993, but certainly gives more feedback than my old bmw e90 hydraulic rack

    i agree that modern cars like boxster/cayman and emira are attractive. But their power level is comparable to a 20 year old fcar. Maybe that’s the sweet spot, 3000lb, 400hp, 6mt. Anything more than that u need the gizmos to keep you alive
     
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    #16 Fcar tech, Apr 30, 2022
    Interesting perspective.
    Ferrari automobiles have always been.. "interesting" as well as challenging to work on.
    New models are a whole new level of "interesting"and a whole new challenge.
    Definitely different. Definitely always beautiful .
     
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  17. ttforcefed

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    #17 ttforcefed, Apr 30, 2022
    i dont and will never own a ferrari after 2012, fwiw
     
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    #18 amenasce, Apr 30, 2022
    The other thing is the noise. Def not as great as it used to be. Even the 812SF sounds a bit too synthetic. And the Turbo cars sounds just boring.

    They are beautifully made cars, superbly engineered and extremely capable but id take the keys to a Challenge Stradale over a Pista or a Daytona over an 812SF.
     
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    #19 Shark01, Apr 30, 2022
    I feel like most of you. My newest fun car is a 2005 Ford GT...and it is pretty much perfect, even reliable.

    Everything about new cars are designed to isolate the driver from the motoring environment.

    Everything is over boosted, over assisted, too much useless tech (because I need lap timers and altimeters), safety systems designed for lazy drivers, and more entertainment options than I have at home.
     
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  20. Jack-the-lad

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    #20 Jack-the-lad, Apr 30, 2022
    I’ve owned two 550s. That’s the newest Ferrari I’ve ever owned. Any later Ferrari just doesn’t interest me. Oh, I’d probably own a 575 or 599 but the “rarity premium” for a 6 speed just isn’t worth it to me.
     
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    #21 willrace, Apr 30, 2022
    It does, and same with the brakes. Remember when Porsches were known for their fantastic brakes?
    The bias is now "balanced" by the ABS, rather than anything resembling a proportioning valve, from what I can tell. You can't turn it off to determine for sure, but constantly engages well-short of threshold, and does so on every tester or loaner they've sent me out with.
     
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    #22 Jack-the-lad, Apr 30, 2022
    Maybe I’ll just keep my RS60. Three hundred and three horsepower seems to be adequate.:)
     
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    #23 ChipG, Apr 30, 2022
    I'm in the same boat you are, was just seeing our age difference if any.
     
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    #24 tbakowsky, Apr 30, 2022
    Don't count out the 458 Speaciale..that thing is magical. I think for me 2014/15 is the last one. I just wish the gearbox had more "feel" then it would be perfect.

    They definitely lost something with the 488 Pista tho.
     
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    #25 willrace, Apr 30, 2022
    LOL
     
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