Why there is ZERO hope for the Constructor's Champ this year.

Agree.

If your on the ass end of your career, and you have made your millions, made your fans, raced in F1, and raced for years with Ferrari, why would you put your life on the line anymore than you want to?

I could bet RB wouldnt give a stuff if he got booted next year, he would retire back to a normal life, with his millions, and his wife and kid. Good on him i say.

But your right, the WCC is rooted for Ferrari. Oh well, in the words of DC, next year will be THE year....

 

There was really only 1 race where there was any hope of Ferrari looking like it was going to win the WCC...Imola.

 

Correct, since then it's become an impossible dream ...

Pete

 

Guys, you leave out the fact that they are getting thier tails kicked. If they were to win the constructor's it would be down to dumb luck, not the team being good. It's not RB's fault if they don't win the constructor's championship, it's the whole team's fault that the car is crap this year.

 

Never write off Ferrari. Never!

They are the only team that can recover from the current situation.

 

Only Mosley and his September 14 ruling could hand the title to Ferrari. But not even he can be that nuts. One hopes at least.

 

Never rule out Ferrari... never!

 

Ferrari IS ruled out this year. Done deal for them.

 

Agree. If you do not win, you can only blame yourself.

Pete

 

There are Ferraris on the grid this year?

 

The plan was to keep changing the rules so that Ferrari wouldn't dominate. F-1 finally got the right combination of rule changes this year to stymie Ferrari. They will re-group and be back next year, but this year is probably over. Not only would Ferrari have to return to dominance, but Renault would have to collapse. Possible, but not likely.

 

Would have happened eventually anyway ... can't be on the top of the heap forever

Pete

 

What do you mean? There will certainly be a Constructor's Champ this year and it will likely be Renault or McLaren. As far as I know, there has always been a Constructor's Champ every since there has been F1 racing.

 

Thank you! Are we motorsports fans, or Ferrari fanbois? Ok... besides imperial83! () There IS a battle for the constructors, for the first time in years I might add! So what if it isn't a red car....

Andreas, there will be no ruling on 9/14, all the charges against the teams were dropped when it was revealed that the team's contract with Michelin required them to follow the tire company's decision.

As for Ferrari, mark my words: They will win again in 2005

 

Hmm, interesting. I know Mosley said there will be no points deductions, but I read just a couple of days ago that there still will be a ruling. Might have been a badly informed source.

I said at the beginning of the season when things didn't look good, that Ferrari will loose the title, but at least score one victory, presumably in Monza. Well they did "win" Indy, but I don't count that. And by now I have really given up hope and no longer even believe in one single win. Not even at Monza. I think they have given up and that's actually good, so they can focus on the V8 as they should.

 

Good point about the v8s, that would be a smart thing to do.

However, I have noticed a subtle improvement over the last few races, and Monza might still be the place-- especially since the circuit isn't as demanding on tires, and requires great power & aero. It will be tough, and this current 3 week layoff will be critical, but they could have taken another step. Certainly they will be motivated to win one for the Tifosi, regardless of next year's prep. Perhaps a Monza Speciale, a la Honda @ Suzuka? Who knows

Final point: we shouldn't write off Indy. Nobody likes how that day unfolded, but remember than any other permutation of that race (chicain, no champ points for Mich cars, run through the pit lane, etc <--take your pick), while more agreeable to the fans, would not have lead to a different outcome, and rightly so! It was a legit win, just not an "exciting race."

 

Next year virtually everything will be different, so it is impossible to predict how Ferrari, or anyone else, for that matter, will do next year. As for this year, it's simply McLaren (if the engines stop blowing up), or Renault.

 

I think Mclaren will be impressively strong next year. I think they will gap Renault significantly. Lets face it, McLaren still has Newey and that is a huge trump card. Kimi (as always) will be awesome and I think Montoya will pick up his game a little as well. I think Honda & Ferrari are the only cars that will be able to threaten them.

 

You're right.

 

I agree completely, think that's why Ferrari let him out of his contract with a year still to go. Time to move on with some new blood.