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Why would an airplane miss the tarmac by 4 miles out?

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  1. energy88

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    A Southwest flight arriving at Tampa International was rerouted to Fort Lauderdale after the plane descended dangerously low nearly four miles out from the tarmac.

    According to reporting from Fox 13 Tampa, the plane descended within 150 feet of the Courtney Campbell Causeway.

    At that distance, the plane should have been around 1,000 feet from the ground.


     
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    Have a look at Juan Browne on Youtube Blancolirio channel for informed comment.
    not a good trend at SWA for sure.

     
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  3. rob lay

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    the altimeter can't make that big of a difference, but you can mess up on the elevation either hand flying it or entering wrong elevation into approach. easy to do if no visual.
     
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    ohh wow, so not a non visual problem, a problem with actually being visual and mistaking what was the runway, maybe they were on visual approach, but it wasn't legal/complete VMC.
     
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    Pilots not paying attention to the instruments in marginal weather. Southwest has had a few of these lately.
     
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    Bad habit (for the pilot flying) to look out the window when on an instrument approach until you are at the DH/MAP. You get distracted and easy to screw the whole approach (speed/altitude/glidepath).
     
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    they were flying a visual though, but I don’t think it was full VMC. so violating all kinds of regulations, this is why they have minimums especially for VMC.
     
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    I didn't watch the video. So the controllers called out a visual approach?
     
  9. rob lay

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    I believe so.
     
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    Yeah, but at least their computers didn't go down last week......
     
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    Correct.
    If it did, we would hear about a lot more of these 'instances'.
     
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    I get what you’re saying but there is a difference between VMC and VFR. They were in VMC as they flew a visual approach to a segment of a highway…and a pretty good one at just about a 3 degree glide path to the part of the road that stands out visually. Obviously a huge misidentification error. They do not need VFR mins to fly a visual approach on an IFR clearance. So no rules broken from a clearance standpoint. Still, probably company rules (and basic airmanship “rules”) broken not backing up their visual approach with course and range info from a readily available published approach. Big pooch screw regardless.
     
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    I didn't know that, I thought doing a visual you would have to maintain the usual visual minimums.
     
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    There are minimums and there are a couple of ways IFR traffic can fly to a runway without flying an instrument approach. If controllers keep IFR traffic on published approaches the horizontal separation minima would make managing traffic in reasonable weather unnecessarily tedious. Visual approaches are based off of controllers having a reasonable estimate that weather is 1000’ and 3sm vis and requires the pilot to call the runway in sight. Controllers will often ask preceding aircraft to report conditions along the path to the active runway, as they did in this vid with the plane just before reporting the rain. If a pilot can’t see the runway but they know where they are they can request a Contact Approach which only requires remaining clear of clouds and 1sm vis. Strangely, these are still IFR operations. I will admit it’s been a long time since I’ve flown IFR operations frequently enough to be doing these things…I’m sure an air carrier person here will know better than I do.
     
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