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Will Ferrari ever make another manual transmission?

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  1. bobzdar

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    Heavier? No, the DCT is heavier than the old f1 superfast (which is the same trans as the manual, just with hydraulic automation).

    If one really wanted a manual shifter it'd be doable electronically, though it'd take a lot of electrical fine tuning to get it to behave like a real manual. You'd probably shorten the life of the clutches in the trans as you wouldn't be able to perfectly (or close to perfectly) rev-match like the ecu, but it'd be doable. Since they're wet clutches, they'd last longer than those in a conventional trans anyways but probably a lot more expensive to fix.

    It'd go something like this - clutch pedal controls the clutch of the current gear selected, so if you press clutch in 1st, it releases clutch on cog 1-3-5-7. Then you shift to 2 and clutch control shifts to the 2-4-6 cog. You let clutch out and it lets the 2-4-6 clutch out and you've shifted gears. If you don't use the clutch, the computer does it for you including rev-matching - kind of like the old valeo mondials (and the one off f-40). There shouldn't be a problem as the trans won't care if you have a longer delay between engaging clutches, just a shorter one than 20ms to avoid 2 gears being engaged at once. If you skip gears it'll act a little unnaturally as it'll have to sequentially go through them, but that's not too big a deal as you probably won't be skipping gears when driving aggressively and that's when you'd want to simulate a true manual anyway.
     
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  3. schroed911

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    I agree with Jazzy preferring the Ferrari paddle shifters vs. up down on both sides of the steering wheel. I had a 2006 M5 and the paddles were attached to the steering wheel moving as you turned the wheel. I prefer the Ferrari fixed position. The moving paddles were more of a problem than up/down on both sides.
     
  4. DM18

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    I used challenge paddles on my Scuderia. Huge improvement
     
  5. GWARREND

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    #54 GWARREND, Jan 7, 2013
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    I had an M3 w SMG. Great for track (10% of the time) but boring as a DD. My current M3 is a 6MT.

    My friend with a Scud and other friend that bought a DCT M3 have both said their next car will again have a clutch (bored). Another friend had PDK and just ordered a 6MT 991.

    Glad to see there are a lot of purists out there that still get it.
     
  6. Jaws

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    There is nothing like a smooth heel-and-toe downshift so I don't think the purists will give this up any time soon. Manual shifting is a tangible driving characteristic different than carbs or power steering. I think you will see manual transmissions for years to come, but they will only be available in true driver's cars and that is not what Ferrari and Lambo cater to today.
     
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  8. SrfCity

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    That ship has sailed as the manufactures are telling you you have to like paddles etc.
     
  9. ross

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    you can get a manual in any car you want. just ask and pay.

    i have seen them in all the present cars except a 458 - and i know a few exist there too.
     
  10. boxerman

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    . I think you will see manual transmissions for years to come, but they will only be available in true driver's cars and that is not what Ferrari and Lambo cater to today.[/QUOTE]



    Too true.
     
  11. MotorMouth

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    I think manuals are going to come back. Cars are getting and are going to continue to get so fast, and so advanced and efficient with handling, acceleration, computer helpers, etc, that its going to start to become pointless. I believe things will eventually come back around to fun and driving enjoyment. I mean eventully the fastest cars will be the ones that you let drive themselves. I think manuals and smaller cars/smaller motors will start to make a comeback.
     
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  13. Bullfighter

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    I wish you were right, but "heel-and-toe" is probably more associated with Christian Louboutin than Ferrari or Porsche.

    Manual shifting will probably last as long the internal combustion engine is around, but the old style manual clutch pedal is, as I posted earlier, the equivalent of the rotary dial telephone: it takes skill to dial it quickly, but it's an inferior design that slows you down.
     
  14. Brandon_

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    #61 Brandon_, Jan 10, 2013
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    I hated the PDK on the 997 for the same reasons......the 991 is much better....and you can order a steering wheel with proper paddles- right side up...left side down
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  15. Napolis

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    I'm not sure that manuals will come back but the next one off we're developing will be a
    bit like you describe. Under 2000lb, small TT motor and be much more of a modern
    Dino Competizione than a hyper monster. Been there, done that and Love Ferrari
    P 4/5 by Pininfarina a lot but our next one will be a lot smaller and agile.
     
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    Sounds yummy!!
     
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    What's old..will be new again.
     
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    #65 fvracing, Jan 10, 2013
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    This is a doom and gloom situation for me. Love the look of the 458 but its the last sports car I would buy, because of the paddle shift. It seems even Porsche is pushing us purists away from stick shift. Who on earth would want a 7 gear stick? Talk about confusing.

    Yes the automatic can make any idiot sound like they know how to drive, but we all have to wonder if the driver knows the first thing about heel and toe. I'm tired of people comparing stick to cassette tapes etc and calling it archaic. The stick is like a grand piano and the auto gearbox is like a player piano. One is designed to let the driver be expressive as they drive, the other, you're along for the ride.
     
  19. boxerman

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    Great description.
     
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    Beautiful!!!!
     
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  22. AceMaster

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    I personally like the manual/3-pedal system, but to each his own.
     
  23. AceMaster

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    That is an interesting way of looking at it :)
     
  24. jvmax

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    current exotic/super car/ sports car offered with manual trans option:

    aston martin v8vantage, v12vantage, dbs
    audi r8 v8/v10
    corvette base, z06, zr1
    porsche 911, cayman, boxster
    bmw m3, m5
    lotus evora, elise
     
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  26. tonyhemet

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    #73 tonyhemet, Jan 11, 2013
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    Who on earth would anyone want a 7 speed stick ? Talk about confusing.
    The vehicle I drive for work has a 9 speed stick including 2 reverse gears, nothing confusing here.
    The vehicle I learned on had 2 sticks, a high / low range switch, 21 forward gears and 3 reverse gears.
    I really love automatics, little to none of that silly driver input stuff.
    Eventually cars will be like toasters; sit in take a nap, presto! Your at grandma's house.
    Someday when I retire, I can look back and have fond memories of being part of the driving experience.
    Rather than a passenger on a bus waiting for the driver to call out your stop.
     
  27. mclaudio

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    Although I would prefer the responsiveness of a normally aspirated engine (versus TT), the small and agile approach is right up my alley...especially a car with design heritage clearly tied to P3/4 and therefore your P4/5. In street trim, such a car in spyder or barchetta configuration would be perfection for me.
     
  28. vrsurgeon

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    Exactly why the paddle shift is here to stay. You can have a ton of money but have absolutely no clue how to drive a car (that is if you even take it out of the garage). Making this buyer feel like he is Schumaker in the car sells more of your car.

    Old timers like me prefer rowing the gears.. and mastering driving the car around a corner without the nannies.

    "I don't even know what a PDK is... but I know I want it"
     

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