Will Ferrari Protest the Move Under Yellow Flag? *spoilers very likely*

If some people are this upset over Ferrari asking for a rules clarification, they would have really hated Ferrari when Enzo ran the team!

 

Alonso is the best driver in F1, Newey the best designer. In some respects I'm glad Fred doesn't drive a Newey car cause it would be a cakewalk and we'd be bored silly.

 

Senna would be proud. So would Enzo.

 

EXACTLY!!!!!

 

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I don't get it.

 

They're always tougher on their own.

 

In all due respect, you obviously have no idea of what you speak. I have always been clear that I do not like Alonso, never will. He is an admitted cheat, so no, I do not support a Ferrari driven by Alonso. And yet, I have always admitted that he is the best on the grid.

To suggest that while Massa was being used as a test mule for most of the season, that Alonso "utterly destroyed Massa", I point you to the last few races where Massa was given an equal car. So no, not bitter, actually pleased that karma prevailed and Vettel won the WDC. And pleased that Massa is now giving Alonso his biggest test.

If you are such a Ferrari fan, why would you obviously be negative about Massa? Just like I do not like Alonso, possibly you do not like Massa? So only you have the right to your opinion?

I think it very possible it is you with the sour grapes. You think? Some advise, criticize the message, but not the messenger. When you get personal, you show you have nothing to support your position.

 

I'm the first in line when it comes to criticizing the team and the drivers but I really don't understand why anybody would think any ill of Ferrari trying everything to get the title.

If anything I'm disappointed Massa didn't simply plow straight into Vettel.

This is not a beauty contest, this is the drivers world championship. Doesn't get any bigger than this.

 

Your point is not correct.

Please, if you want to be accurate, how many wins does Ferrari have during the same period that Red Bull has been racing as Red Bull? Now that would be
a specific accurate response.

 

Andreas, shame on you. Plowing straight into Vettel? So obvious, and if that were to happen, you would see more Ferrari dislike that you now see. I know many diehard Ferrari fans, even some that race Ferraris, not watch F1 because the thought of Alonso on the team totally turns them off.

Ferrari is just like the one politcal party that just lost the USA elections, simply no idea that they are their own worst enemy. Arrogance is not a positive virtue.

 

Have you noticed that the Ferrari negativity started accelerating when Alonso joined the Scuderia? He is very polarizing. Either you overlook his past, and you like him, or you just simply find Alonso to be someone for which you can not cheer.

And it is not Ferrari "hate". It is just being honest that the team you want to support has made some bad calls over the last few years. Calls that are now so transparent, they are embarrassing.

 

Thing is, Ferrari has more aura losing than Red Bull has winning.
Ferrari propagates its own legend, which is beyond mere figures.

 

Well, there is one born every minute...

Ferrari is certainly an arrogant company. Always has been and probably always will be. Nothing new really.

They are their worst enemy, but for a different reason: Their problems start at the top with LdM, Domenicali and Tombazi.

Checking with the FIA whether Vettel's pass was legit is no sign of arrogance. Any team would have done that. As they should have.

 

The threads moved on a bit, but since I was quoted...

Thanks! I wouldn’t use the term “expert” myself as there are people who’ve done much more than just 18 Canadian GP’s and two US (but who’s counting?).

According to Appendix H of the FIA’s International Sporting Code: no. From Section 2.4: “Signals are given in daylight by different coloured flags, which may be supplemented or replaced by lights”. Sorry if this doesn’t go into the user-level of detail you may be looking for, it may be too broad based as it applies to all FIA events and, though we’re not presented with the Supplementary Regulations, if there are changes to traditional flagging procedures (drivers might want to try a backup flag at particular stations for instance) we’re informed of them at the daily morning meetings. I’ve never looked up the Supps to an F1 event but I’ll wager they don’t come close to filling the gaps between Appendix H and the rest of what we’re doing.

Thanks!

The current list still boils down to pretty simple rules that when properly applied have covered a huge variety of incidents.

A bit more on light operation: when either the single or double yellow is activated the following light board is automatically activated to display green, unless there’s an incident there as well in which case their light board condition will override the automatic green, and that green clears when the yellow’s cleared. With alternating flag and light locations two different incident areas could easily show yellow green yellow green, but one incident could easily show yellow yellow green green.

Yep, simple.

 

A few have their own personal axes to grind...

 

Kimi had the best shot.

 

Here's the deal:

RB had the best car and certainly one of the best drivers, if not the best.

Ferrari didn't have the best car but we all know in sports, a few breaks one way or the other can mean that any team or athlete can win.

Ferrari didn't get a few breaks with some crashes not of their fault. But, you can also blame them for qualifying poorly that put them on that position.

Honestly, the team exceeded our expectations on the season given the problems with the new car, Massa having a rough first part of the year, and the windtunnel issue.

Alonso had a great season and surprised most of us that he could push the car around as well as he did. Where it not for a few breaks, he could have won.

But then, were would all the haters have to go?

 

Where do you draw the line?
If using the car as a weapon is all right how about a gun?
Does the implement have to be wielded by a driver or will any team member do?
Can a fan support his team from the stands with something more effective than cheering?

This is still a sporting competition with a set of mutually accepted rules. Both explicit and implicit. Despite what has transpired in years past I think that most fans would call taking out a competitor through deliberate action is at best unsporting at worst criminal.

 

If anyone wants deliberate crashes switch to NASCAR or some of the other series. Bruno hit Vettel and it still didnt help

 

Ferrari= 37 wins

Red Bull= 34 wins

 

Yeah, after going toe-to-toe with Schumacher, Hamilton, Raikkonen and Vettel, Massa is now Alonso's "biggest test." Not only that, but you're basing this off of 4 races at the end of the year where he drove better.

As for the test mule comment, if you would think for a second, you'd realize that makes no sense. Was Massa a test mule for all of 2010 and 2011 as well? Or was it just the first 2/3 of 2012? Do you have any evidence that Massa has always been the test mule and only recently finally got the newer car?

Didn't think so, so let's get real.

I'm not a Massa fan. The difference between you and me is I don't make outlandish statements before knowing any of the facts. Spouting off a few paragraphs of know-nothing BS and then stamping your foot and saying "it's MY OPINION" is fine, but it makes you look silly.

See you guys in a month when all the haters leave!

 

Eh, Vettel hit Bruno first.

 

Bruno actually admitted he messed up. I was posting that with a smiley anyway as a joke. Point stands though, Vettel was hit and history was made no matter.

 

Run the numbers from when Ferrari started (1950) vs when Red bull started for the length of time RB's been racing...

 

Not on here though.

Sure puts you ahead of most of us clowns out here!....... Thanks again for the insights.

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Cheers,
Ian