Will Ferrari Protest the Move Under Yellow Flag? *spoilers very likely*

+1

Thanks man!

I was about to climb out of my pram over his "take him out" comment, but you've covered it way better than me.

There's just some **** you don't do.

Cheers,
Ian

 

219 victories in 62 years = 3,53 / year
vs.
34 victories in 7 years = 4,85 / year

Disadvantage for our guys

 

Over time Ferrari F1 has been stellar but RB from zero to hero is pretty impressive as well.

 

We may be fighting the tide of history.

This is one reason that my admiration for Senna and Schumacher has always been qualified.

 

+1

However, I'd be willing to bet they (the Cans) can't maintain that pace over the forthcoming 40-50 years......

Ferrari, OTOH will still be there or thereabouts IMO.

Cheers,
Ian

 

I hear you.

However, they did their own dirty deeds for their own ends. This is another level removed and therefore even more egregious IMO.

Cheers,
Ian

 

Someone remind me to see how Red Bull (or whatever they're called then) is doing in 55 more years. Needless to say, I bet Ferrari will be fighting for titles. Red Bull...eh...not so much.

 

As Enzo Ferrari said: the real success is not winning a lot, but surviving many years.

We´ll resume this discussion in 2070.

 

Agreed. There are degrees of venality.

 

Agree'd when compared to Toyota and BMW etc. Mercedes as well. They have come to play...so to speak.

 

your oversimplified average calculation....
"219 victories in 62 years = 3,53 / year
vs. 34 victories in 7 years = 4,85 / year

Disadvantage for our guys "

....simply shows a short term trend...I will be convinced RB is a serious Scuderia after they have survived 60+ years as Ferrari has.

I never respected Statistics anyways.....why? would you ask...

Put your feet in a freezer...and stick your head in an Oven...and your body's "Average" temperature would be 92 F.....you would be just fine....lol....that's what averaging does to you.

All it takes is one MBA with a different oppinnion of where their advertising cash should be spent, and BAMMMM....there goes RedBull scuderia...the sugary drink enterprise....cheers.

 

A winning tradition is worth defending. Surviving and driving round and round without winning. No. It can happen to anyone ask Ferrari. Im glad my world does not begin and end if Ferrari are in F1 or not.
Its nice to see a fairly new team come into this sport and do well. It makes F1 better. If Red Bull leave so be it. They have a great legacy already. This year was fantastic for both Ferrari and Red Bull. Im glad I was able to be around to enjoy it.

 

No question. The only reason they managed to climb the ladder so quickly is due to the talents of one gifted individual.

You can't put a price on testing sessions with Eddie Irvine. He was there before noon on many occasions.

 

Hungover, but there!

Most times anyway.....

Cheers,
Ian

 

Or winning a lot AND surviving for many years. Like Ferrari.

 

Enzo survived quite well, drivers until the last 20 years, not so much.

As one of many Ferrari fans worldwide, I don't disparage Redbull from succeeding in such a short time in the ultra competitive cauldron that is F1. No question Newey as a designer stands alone in this generation, but you still need reliabililty, team work, pit efficiency, and strategy along with the car and driver to win championships.

I don't buy Newey wins in a vacuum no matter who drives his car and who manages the team.

Ferrari's committment to F1 long term has no peers, just to be clear. But calling Redbull a lowly "drink" team, and let's see where they are in 2070 doesn't credit a masterful effort on their part.

 

Please, other than your disappointment with a Spanish driver named Alonso, explain how you do not understand that the videos show that Vettel was given a green flag and the pass was legal. At this moment, there is not one viable source that would agree with you. Even Autosport took the time to explain the rules for us dummies, and they stated without a doubt, the pass was legal.

So, please, the facts behind your comment. Thanks

 

Ad nauseum, for the last time.

Interlagos, Turn 4:

"At this marshal's post a green flag was being waved on lap four - at the same time as the light signal at Turn Four was displaying green.

The separation of these two posts was about 350 metres and FIA race director Charlie Whiting has made it clear to drivers since lights were introduced more than five years ago that when there are consecutive signals from both a flag and a light, it is the first one that counts."

(Remember that, it is the first one that counts)

"So, as happened in the Vettel case, if a driver is given a green warning flag followed by a green warning light, it is the first green that counts.

Vettel's pass took place after the first green flag but before the green light, so was wholly legitimate.

This was why race control was not informed of any potential infringement and the matter was never subject to a post-race inquiry by the stewards."

Ferrari, supposely being the professional team that they are, should have done more research before they wrote this supposed fan initiated letter. I have a feeling they knew all along the reality of the matter, but chose take the low road.

To me this is not a Red Bull vs Ferrari discussion. It is a discussion as to why some people just can not accept reality. One of the most telling facts is that during the race, if a marshall viewed an infraction, they would have notified race control immediately. They did not, because green flags were waving in front of their noses.

This is not a tainted championship for Vettel, it is just a demonstration of a sore loser by Ferrari. Alonso had an incredible season, but this move diminished Alonso's efforts.

 

+1 Done & dusted. Debate closed.

However, I'm pretty sure;

1 - The following light was actually yellow, not green. [Doesn't matter from a legality perspective of course - He passed a green, and overtook Jools. No problem.]

2 - The yellow lights on the dash are obviously "informational only" - I hadn't noticed 'em prior to the vid.

As for the haters claiming it was all Fred's doing; I'm actually gonna believe the PR spin for once eek - The vid prompted outrage and much mail to Maranello - Even they were surprised - They asked, Charlie answered, they responded & moved on.

Cheers,
Ian

 

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104667

Somehow I think BS, they're trying to save their own face now.

 

Couldnt agree more. Spin. Plain and simple. Non issue at race to begin with. Stefano fix the car and you wont lose.

 

Nice try but we'll be hearing about this for years whenever "outrages" against Ferrari is discussed.

 

Unfortunately, very true!

Make a change from the usual "Ferrari International Assistance" whines I guess.

Cheers,
Ian

 

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