Will FF V12 appreciate ...

You never know!
It seems that manual Fcars are appreciating,fairly rapidly for some models.
Maybe normally aspirated engined cars will follow the same curve - Whatever supply is out there,it looks like that may be it so once there are a finite number of normally aspirated Fcars demand may push prices up,particularly if the turbo charged engines aren't warmly received by enthusiasts.
We'll see :0)

 

In enough time, maybe, but the 4 seaters have not traditionally done well in the short term. I have a 2010 612, by your logic, it should be appreciating as the last of the rear wheel drive, front V12, 4 seaters -- but thats not happening. Maybe in another 10 years, but by then mine will have too many miles on it to be worth anything.

 

Maybe once the price bottoms out and starts appreciating in 15+ years.

 

If it ends up being the last V-12 2+2 then yes
But I think they will offer both engines in the FF(M)

 

Way, way too early to tell. Certainly not the reason to buy but possible in the distant future.

Will depend on the build and condition, and only if things go very well for the current FF12 vs. future models. Depreciation curve has leveled off lately to be more predictable. That's step 1 at least.

612 not the car as the unique FF, so not the place to look IMO, although many do compare them.

 

Expecting any F-Car.. other than the Hyper-Cars and the classics to appreciate is crazy.. I can't think of one that has.

 

Manual 612's

 

Above MSRP?.. I think not.

 

But they did hit a bottom and now have doubled - That's not bad

 

Not likely.

 

cant we use the other 2+2 carrs, 456 and 412, as guide lines on the expected appreciation?

 

If the FF is indeed the last N/A V12 2+2, I would argue that it would definitely increase in
price. However, if there's another generation after this with a V12, with faster dual clutch, etc etc I think it'll follow the same fate of the F1 612s, lowering prices.

 

I get your logic but I think 4 seater Ferraris tend to depreciate and I think this will as well. I also think it is indeed the last NA V12.

 

It's unlikely to appreciate above sale price in the near term. 456K manuals in the UK were a low number produced, and are coveted in the current bubble market but are still unlikely to sell for more than 1/2 of original retail price.

Even if FF is the last N/A V12 its produced in enough numbers that it's not going to be rare in that way.

A smart used buy at 2/3 original sale price might be a relatively safe way of not losing too much in depreciation over the next 10 years - but I doubt it's an investment in the way a Dino has been....

 

I've been told that the follow on to the FF will be V12 and could possibly see a V8 option but what is 'certain' is the V12. Early in the year it looks like I should be going to a preview of the car.

 

Slow depreciation/appreciation is usually reserved for beautifully designed limited models with low mileage. You cant ask those things from practicality-oriented & mass-produced FF with lots of miles on clock.

F12 is mass-produced model too, but that thing is one of most beautiful modern V12 Ferrari. That car could be very appreciated in next decade if you have one with proper specification, in stock condition & with low miles on clock.

Keeping FF with low miles on clock is just silly...

 

I would point to the SuperAmerica as an example of a highly sought after limited production (499 WW) that was selling way over sticker while it was in production and can be bought for well under MSRP today.

The only current Ferrari that will appreciate is the LaF..

 

458 Speciale has already gone up some.

 

'Keeping FF with low miles on clock is just silly'

Very true - I think most FF owners bought their car to be used ,not to sit in the garage.

I did - mine is used as a DD - ferrying children around,work,shopping etc.

I'm not concerned about the depreciation - not because i'm stupid or very rich but rather because I bought the car fully aware that I will take a big hit at whatever point I sell it.This is something I accept as the one negative of FF ownership.
I've mentally written off the money I spent on the car so anything I get back in future is a bonus :0)

 

I have a Speciale, it is still selling above MSRP but I expect that to end as soon as the 488 is available. The early 458s sold above sticker for the first 2 years. The SuperAmerica sold crazy above sticker for a few years as did the Scud. If you bought a scud at $150K a couple of years ago and now it's worth $200K.. that is awesome but no one that bought a new one can say their car appreciated. None of the current Ferraris will appreciate (save the first 1-2 years they are in production)

 

Fair enough. They don't tank, that's the main positive.

I think the 458 Aperta is at 1,000,000 now but that's in the first 2 years per your concept.

The 458 is such a brute as compared to the smoother 488, I think it will stay strong in the market. As would the V12 FF in a TT8 world. Actual appreciation is a lot to ask, I agree. Slow depreciation for these cars is the goal for most of us. They're so amazing to drive that slower depreciation balances the cost.

 

Slow depreciation is good.. but for anyone like me that paid $400K+ for an FF that is now worth ~$200K the idea of an appreciating FF is just silly.. to the OP's question

 

Well, asked another way - how about in the current/CPO prices? I guess the base case is maybe it goes to 150k and bottoms out?

Saw a gray-on-brown interior FF but can't really justify a purchase like that right now.

I do think, in general, hard to buy any cars with the expectation of appreciation - especially if you take into account cost of ownership. Love the FF's, though

 

In the VERY long term, maybe. But John Meynard Keynes said, "In the long run we are all dead."