Will the 12 Cilindri really be the last of a long line of Ferrari V12 masterpieces?

That’s also my expectation. I can also envision a point where the ICE in high end sports cars becomes an equal contributor to the total hybrid system output (ie. 50/50 as F1 will be in 2026).

The engine will exist in those applications to provide sound, a sense of nostalgic engagement and to justify the large price premium over mainstream EVs, at least until 2035 or so.

 

If Ferrari has let go of a number of V12 engineers/ designers then this would suggest that Ferrari is not planning to produce as many V12 new models in the future.

Also supporting this premise is the fact that Ferrari has decided to release the coupe and the folding -hardtop models simultaneously instead of dragging out the spider production development process by 2-3 years after the coupe.
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Ferrari understands its position of being utterly irrelevant in the world of vehicle regulation. No political body or political leader cares about Ferrari. Trump sold his dated F355 a few years ago.

Ferrari must adapt to the roadmap which world leaders have outlined.

I think Ferrari will still
be able to create demand for their next gen modern vehicles

We will see how things pan out for all car manufacturers.

 

No way the 12C will be the last Ferrari V12. Their complete heritage is based on the V12. Even Vigna will come to realize this over the next few years.

 

I think the vs version will probably be it (with the exception of 1 offs)
the only thing that sucks is the quiet exhaust

 

what sucks is same performance stats, quieter exhaust and bigger price tag

 

Nobody in Brussels/EU cares about some obscure small sports car manufacturer in the middle of nowhere in Italy.
The left and green idiots want us to buy bicycles and use public transport only. Owning and using a car, any car, is now considered something negative and really bad.
Brain washing at its best.

Marcel Massini

 

Noise reduction: stupid new laws by even more stupid politicians.
When will people finally wake up?

Marcel Massini

 

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Looks like a 911 targa

 

Nothing is definitively graved into stone.
People in France are really fed up with European dictatorship.

 

The F8 Tributo was the end of the road for the non hybrid turbo V8

There was no Limited special variant.

The 12cilindri may be cast in the same vein.
I think it is unlikely that they do a more extreme version as the NA 12 is pretty close to its limits due to regulations. Ferrari could use some more carbon fiber for the hood and perhaps ??? The roof is already offered wirh a carbon option.

Of course Ferrari could offer some hybrid V12 but i dont think that would be called the 12 cilindri competizione or variant.

 

(hah)
adding hybrid electric motor setup the V12 would require a BILLION dollar investment, 2-3 years development, that's not going to happen, GUARANTEED (or your money back!)

plus, there is no where to put it, with the transmission/differential at the rear and engine at front, there is literally zero room, more likely to have such a setup in the Purosangue where they can "go up" and make it taller, lots of room underneath then to make that vehicle taller

The V12 leadership was PUBLICLY FIRED (Ferrari was making a statement with that "show" in December 2021), and a few weeks later replaced with an accountant...major insult to V12 advocates .. there is NO V12 engineering team, no one doing even a little V12 engineering, it's all over.

Remember John Elkann? Yeah, he's the reason, unless he is replaced (not likely for decades), expect no more V12 development under his watch....look at what has occurred in the past 5 years, Ferrari is doing fine without active V12 development

 

Don't forget that it was Sergio Marchionne who hugged John Elkann like a father and his son and told him that the ONLY thing in life is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, the more the better. SM promised JE the moon and more (plus going public). That's where young JE learned what is really important........ Everything else doesn't matter to him, and yes, he also wants to save the planet.

Marcel Massini

 

On the other hand, the good thing about being a small company is that you can get dispensations that large companies are not afforded. With e-fuels the ICE may live on in one form or another. Even Mate Rimac said that his next car might have an ICE!!! I am sure you have heard of the "Ferrari clause" that Italy and other countries have brought to the EU Parliament.

We still have the Roma. But if a hybrid set up is superior, I don' t see where the problem is.

Not really. Leiters left, but this is normal. Amedeo Felisa (an engineering legend) had also left before him; people come and go. There is no such thing as a "V12 engineering team". ICE engineers ("motoristi" as the Italians call them) are trained to design all kinds of engines. Of course there is specialisation, but the accumulated knowledge (know-how) is ingrained in the company's DNA; they are experts in building multi-cylinder, high revving engines. Elnakk and Vigna have been on record about striving to keep the V12 alive as long is it is regulatory possible.


Finally, regarding Elkann, he comes across as a very passionate car bloke. He is doing his best in order to resurrect the F1 team (he brought Hamilton in, even though I don' t believe that will help; I wish he could bring in Newey) and he put Ferrari into the WEC big category after decades. It 's unfair to say that he only cares about the money.

 

Just read his bio on Wikipedia. Quite an impressive man and not just because he's married to royalty.

 

Lapo even more "impressive"

 

We all knew what was coming next after SM screwed over LDM...

 

"On 11 October 2005, Elkann was hospitalized in serious conditions in the intensive care unit of the Mauriziano Hospital in Turin due to an overdose of a mix of opiates and cocaine after a night in the company of several people including a transgender woman who was the first to call an ambulance" this? Seems 2005 to about 2020 were very experientially rich for the young Master Lapo?

 

The name only makes sense if it an homage to the V12 and a final hurrah. I have no problem with electrifying the next V12. I get it, and if we can still have it and increase performance, great. I too would be surprised if there's a VS, in the same vain as the F8 being it. This seems like an SP car and a final sendoff. Who knows.

 

Yes - and his episode of faking being kidnapped by a transgender prostitute after taking drugs in an apartment "An heir to the Fiat fortune stands accused of falsely claiming he had been kidnapped by a transgender prostitute." Truly a family that's difficult to like, but that's a discussion for another thread.

 

No, actually it's completely on point, as we wouldn't have hideous abominations such as "12 Cilindri" were it not for these idiots... building things to please shareholders (PROFIT) and to please governments (POLITICS) is precisely what delivered us this car.

 

The LaFerrari is a hybrid and has a NA V12

Its a limited production and much more expensive

The power management is buggy which is why most LaFerrari

 

Yes the ROMA is a turbo V8
I totally forgot about it
I still dont think about the soft top Roma either

So i guess Ferrari meant to say last mid rearTurbo non hybrid V8. Or maybe they need to come up with better names

Perhaps we can agree that Ferrari has its own way of doing things--illogical and flawed--or maybe Idiomatic

"There will never be a Ferrari SUV"

FUV yes!

"Ferrari will never do an electric car"

Ferrari all elevtric coming and Ferrari does own a Tesla to reverse engineer

Or Ferrari is just crazy like a fox

It keeps its cards close to the chest and wont reveal a plan for the future

But us buyers keep ponying up the ante

Falling for the bluffs and going all in

 

Well, others like it (I am not one of them) and it will definitely sell out. They can' t please everyone. Keep in mind that some people don' t like how the tdf looks...

 

100% - hang out with the classic collectors pre1974 and they say the TDF F12 is a fraud (money grab - zero purpose) and ugly! Always interesting when Ferrari design moves on to capture another era of buyers!


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And, your point is?



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Look at the engine layout,
the transmission and electric
motor are bolted to what would be towards the FRONT of a front-engine V12 layout:

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But, you cannot do that same arrangement in a front-engine configuration, of course, with a front-engine the transmission/differential is in the rear of the car, so the electric motor/inverter would need to be at the back of the car, there would be no trunk;

You can "get away" with this sort of design in a rear-engine layout but not a front-engine layout

And the way Ferrari is doing the battery pack in the SF90 and 296 it "stands it up" behind the seats, do that in a front-engine layout and there would be just a bulkhead, no back section at all because the entire back of the car would be battery, electric motor (to spin the transmission) and transmission/differential.

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The LAF is a KERS system, not what Ferrari is doing anymore.

As I wrote, it would be a very large, costly project to make a front engine V12 (or any, V6/V8) be a hybrid. Not saying it cannot be done, but as clearly demonstrated already by Ferrari putting a 3-year-old engine into their new V12, they are not going to spend any more money on the V12 engine (hybrid or not).

If Ferrari had wanted to, they would of designed a new, smaller V12 where there would be a lot more room for Hybrid drivetrain components...they do not want to do that, they are not going to do that and that is my point.