Will the 458 Italia Crush the Competition?

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  1. 360Grigiotitanio

    360Grigiotitanio Formula Junior

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    #1 360Grigiotitanio, Jul 28, 2009
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    Ferrari's arch-enemy, McLaren, is bringing out the P11. This car is designed by no-less than the former Ferrari design-chief Frank Stephenson. It's rumored to have a curb weight of 2645 pounds.

    There are others coming too. Will the 458 Italia be best in class?
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  3. SL%%

    SL%% Formula Junior

    Feb 25, 2008
    Only time will tell
  4. A4Blk98SS

    A4Blk98SS Karting

    Dec 6, 2003
    If that's what the the new McLaren looks like, we at least know the 458 looks better ;)
  5. anunakki

    anunakki Five Time F1 World Champ
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    concept art (who knows how accurate it is) looks way too close to a gallardo.

  6. Were-Salamander

    Jul 10, 2008
    Well hp and fuel consumption-wise it does best the LP560. That dual clutch transmission's great too. We'll have to see, although I do hope Ferrari's deigned to grace us with satnav and backup camera for those who drive it around a city. Front life wouldn't hurt either.
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  8. F430GB

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    +1. :)

  9. TexasF355F1

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    I highly doubt that's what the P11 will look like. McLarent wouldn't let that happen, imo.
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    #9 Modena360-66, Jul 29, 2009
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    What about the bulls? is lamborghini working on something new or what?

    would be about time, unless they are working on a "special 3 000 000$ murcie-specialo-super-rapida-lpxw 890 -440 yz ?"
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  13. KenneBraun

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  14. Grant

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    #11 Grant, Jul 29, 2009
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    The 458 will be the best in class, upon its introduction. It will eventually be superceded in performance by its rivals (like the MacLaren). It's only natural - time brings improvements. Try comparing a 308 to a 358 - things change quickly, no? ;)

    But of course, raw numbers do not tell the whole story. How the 358 feels to drive will be more important than its raw performance specs to some. In fact, some may find the 308 the more visceral experience and still more than fast enough for the majority of streets in this country.

    If the MacLarn really weighs in the neighborhood of 2,600 lbs, that may give it a huge advantage. The only area where I had hoped for more from the 458 is in the area of weight savings (I thought it might become a tad smaller too which would make it feel more nimble).
  15. amenasce

    amenasce Two Time F1 World Champ
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    2645 pounds..Thats what the 458 should weight !
  16. gothspeed

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    +1 ................. IMO that new 'mclaren' looks like a next generation nsx ...... :(
  17. adlassing

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    hahaha lol ...... not knockin on Lambo's.... but, that was funny!!!!
  18. 360Grigiotitanio

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    #15 360Grigiotitanio, Jul 29, 2009
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  19. Hexnut72

    Hexnut72 Formula Junior

    Nov 22, 2006
    These images are supposed to be pretty accurate of the P11:

  20. Ferrari FXX

    Ferrari FXX Formula Junior

    Jun 27, 2007
    Does it really matter guys? I mean what more do some people want. 0-62 in 3.5 seconds 203 mph? The only question in my mind is will the P11 be more fun to actually drive than the 458. Ferrari are fun to drive & for years Lamborghini has been building cars with more HP, but they are no where as near as fun to drive as the Ferrar in its class.
  21. PaulK

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    I know those are only renderings of the new McLaren, but if thats any indicator, the 458 will atleast crush it in that department.
    The 458 was the first new car in a long time that made me go "I WANT ONE!!!".
  22. atomicskiracer

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    If thats it then no problem... That being said, how many times have we heard about pictures being "pretty accurate" before the car is released...
  23. PsyFi

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    Its going to be an exciting time the next couple of years. Lexus has the LFA...Nissan the GTR V-Spec etc
  24. Auraraptor

    Auraraptor F1 World Champ
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    WADR, the Diablo 6.0 was much more of a driver's car and more fun to drive then the 550/75, the latter being more a comfortable GT by comparison.
  25. michal12

    michal12 Karting

    Dec 13, 2005
    Benz SLS is close but slower and chaper. As far as I know no news on new gen Gallardo. Thus, the Italia is the new queen of the class.
    If you have seen the acceleration video - you know what I am talking about. The acceleration sounds and look absolutely surreal. Trick diff and traction control plus the double clutch gearbox are putting this entry level model in Enzo territory.
    And how they managed to squeeze 570Nm out of naturaly aspirated 4.4 liter engine I really dont know
  26. pegon

    pegon Karting

    Jun 16, 2006
    The new McLaren will weigh less, but cost more.
  27. Daytonafan

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    Car magazine has been touting that this is the shape of the Mclaren for a while and some of the camo pics of the test mule seem to support this. Key question for this car and how it compares to the 458 is what engine it is going to use. Obvious choice would be the 6.2 AMG unit from Merc but that may put it close to Merc AMG's own SLS?
  28. F2003-GA

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    I would not underestimate Frank Stephenson. This time around he has a point to prove

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