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Will the Maranello successor have a Enzo Ferrari based V12?

Discussion in '456/550/575' started by SSNISTR, Oct 13, 2004.

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  1. SSNISTR

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    #1 SSNISTR, Oct 13, 2004
    I read on another board that the 550/575M Maranello replacement will not have the V12 used in the 612 Scaglietti, but one based off the V12 in the Enzo Ferrari that will make something like 600 horsepower. Anyone heard the same, or have any information? If this is true this car will be VERY quick and fast to say the least.
     
  2. Cavallini

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    #2 Cavallini, Oct 13, 2004
    That's what I read some time ago.

    It almost has to have the Enzo's 6.0, simply to keep pace with the next round from Lambo, the MBs, Vanquish et al. But it will be aluminum and lighter than most rivals, as well as infused with more F1 tech, a la the 430. It should be stunning, inside and out.

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  3. damcgee

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    #3 damcgee, Oct 13, 2004
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    What are the key mechanical differences between the V12 in the Scag and the one in the Enzo? I decided to do some research.

    The Enzo derives its larger displacement from an incremental 3mm of bore, while having a stroke that is 1.8mm shorter. Overall, displacement is up .25 liters. The Enzo's higher redline is indicative of its higher state of tune i.e. better breathing heads/cams.

    So, what will the 575 replacement hold for us? If they try to compete with the Murcielago in terms of raw acceleration, then I would expect them to go for an engine that is closer to the Enzo's in terms of its character. I think given how far they have taken the 612 towards being a true "grand tourer", they are giving themselves room to take the 2-seat front engine 12 cylinder in a more sporting direction. I think the GTC Handling pack also hints at this.

    Just my .02 :)
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    #4 Senna1994, Oct 13, 2004
    Very nice
     
  5. SSNISTR

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    #5 SSNISTR, Oct 13, 2004
    Yeah I'm thinking 6.0 liter Enzo based V12 as well. It would make it quite a performer....

    0-60 mph in the mid 3's, the 1/4 mile in the high 11's @ like 125 and a top speed around 205, maybe better....
     
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    #6 damcgee, Oct 13, 2004
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    I got myself intruiged, so I decided to do a full list of the past decade or so of Ferraris.

    I thought it was interesting that from the 348 to the 355 to 360, Ferrari simply added 2mm of stroke to the engine. Obviously to get from the 348's 300 hp to the 355's 375, there was a lot more done than simply increasing the stroke.

    The 456 is not included, since it's bore/stroke is exactly the same as the 550's (just as the 575m is to the 612, though once again, the 612 is in a higher state of tune).

    Also, I included the bore/stroke/cylinders = displacement Excel calculator I made, in case anyone wants to play with it.
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    #7 SSNISTR, Oct 13, 2004
    Great chart. Interesting to say the least....hopefully within 6 months or so we can add the 600 Imola, or whatever they call it to that list of beasts.
     
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    #8 damcgee, Oct 13, 2004
    I'd like to see them take the Enzo block and give it the 575/612 crank, resulting in 6.14L. They could call it 6.2, and have something to take Lamborghini on with :)
     
  9. bostonmini

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    #9 bostonmini, Oct 13, 2004
    If they try to compete with lambo with a front engined GT, they will LOSE. The car will not be as quick as the current murci I dont think, and it will def not be as quick as the new one with 650 HP from a 6.5 liter motor. I dont think they will go for that though, they will try to leap frog what AM comes up with, as thats the real competitor here.
     
  10. SSNISTR

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    #10 SSNISTR, Oct 13, 2004

    Even though Aston Martin is the cars main competion, I think Ferrari has the big Lambo in mind, the current Maranello is a close match for the Murci, and many drivers prefer it. Even if Lambo boosts power 70 bhp or so the new Maranello replacement won't have the Lambos AWD, its biggest fault to performance drivers. Plus the Murci feels "big" to most testers, the 575 M Maranello with the Fiorano and GTC package is much better on a track then a Murci. Can you imagine a new car that has about 85 more bhp, a quicker shifting gearbox, better handling and balance and F1 inspired and derived systems! Not only will it be a total Aston killer, but Lambo had better watch there backs. Because a car not considered to be in its category will be all over it IMO.

    The successor with a front/mid-mounted 600 horsepower V12, transaxle mounted F1 gearbox, carbo-ceramic brakes, all aluminum construction is gonna be some car if you ask me. The perfect car in many ways. A sports/grand touring car all in one.
     
  11. Cavallini

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    #11 Cavallini, Oct 13, 2004
    Remember, it will almost definitely be front-mid, a la 612 and SLR. It will also have even more F1 technology than the 430, E-Diff plus. I'm not so sure it won't compete directly with a larger AWD Lambo and the SLR, not to mention the next Vanquish, and win. It will be interesting, especially because Lambo absolutely must outgun Ferrari.



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