Will the V-12 Survive ? - When's a good time to buy in to one

V12 Ferraris range from $50k to $50m with options at every price point in between so it’s always a good time to get one!

 

Get ahead of the curve, once more people catch on to this situation, future V12 inventory will dwindle and at some point, probably 5 years out, prices will ramp up as the full effect is felt; that's my conjecture as this has never occurred before...recall, at this moment, Ferrari no longer makes the 812SF (coupe) and no known replacement exists...and where are the test mules? Lots of unknowns, but, we should know by end of year what VW's plans are for Lamborghini...

 

Maybe Lambo and Ferrari should just sell V12s to everyone but Europe, they can still be profitable . If they stop building them all together , I believe there will be plenty of good used V12s to go around. What do you fellows think ?

Thank you

 

A good time was 8 years ago when a Countach was a $100k car and a Diablo Roadster was $75k. A Boxer was like $90k.

Ferrari makes ALOT of front mounted V-12s so you probably have time there.

For me, the optimum configuration is a V-12 paired with a gated manual (with bonus points for a convertible).

 

My fear is that some states (CA for example) will just flat outlaw them for legal road use eventually. Or tax them out of existence.

 

Without wishing to cause to much of a P&R diversion having elected a new president who is committed to rejoining Paris climate the US will have to lose V12s too as a consequence

 

Certainly some states, e.g. CA, can do outlandish things, but I expect V12s will be neither outlawed nor taxed inordinately. There will be so few on the road as years go by there will be far more used car battery pollution than V12 pollution.

 

You obviously don't understand California....

 

Bob, I'm agreeing with you. I'm saying except for CA I don't expect states to outlaw or overly tax V12's.

 

As I understand the 812 successors will still be a NA V12 with no electric assist. Corrections encouraged.

 

It's already going to happen, but I think there will be some exceptions for 'collector cars.'

Just my guess.

 

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Maybe a Lambo Beetle?

 

2025 deadline appears to be unrealistic, raw material production is not able to ramp that quickly and will not for a long time (i.e. minerals used in EV batteries):
(See 'Conclusions' in paper linked here: )
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7545311/

and

https://www.usitc.gov/publications/332/working_papers/gvc_overview_scott_ireland_508_final_061120.pdf

and, even it somehow the raw material feedstock existed, battery production is not scaled to support

and, even if none of those issues were present, where will the surplus electricity production originate?

You do realize that the UK is already being held hostage due to its inability to produce sufficient electricity for its present needs...
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/10/21/french-president-macron-threatens-a-devastating-electricity-embargo-against-renewables-obsessed-britain/

The only apparent result of fast-tracking Euro 7 is to destroy car manufacturers by either fining them into oblivion or reducing their production to whatever the number of battery packs they can secure (which will be far less than their current output, this article thinks production of approx. 10million 60kwh battery packs per year starting next year, but current demand is more than 80m per year...)
https://www.industryweek.com/technology-and-iiot/article/22026518/lithium-batteries-dirty-secret-manufacturing-them-leaves-massive-carbon-footprint

So, hopefully exceptions will happen...but then there are the noise restrictions...

 

My daily driver is a 2500 diesel truck. My green weekend driver is v12 550m.

 

Ferrari is heavily looking into biofuels/synfuels as is the F1 world. Louis Camilleri mentioned the importance of that in the last business analysts call. This is for sure the only viable way to go in the longer term. However the mid term future indeed seems to be very challenging with the upcoming regulations.

 

Didn't merc say they are no longer doing any ice development? Its all ev for them

 

I believe the penalty is a fine correct? It would be akin to a heftier ‘gas guzzler’ tax, passed on to the consumers...so nothing new, albeit more expensive. Just my understanding, open to being corrected.