http://f1.racing-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/050713194614.shtml For those of you that say it is to early to test V8 cars. Here is the proof that those who wait will be sitting at the back of the pack. Come on Ferrari lets get the V8 on the test track now!!!!
This has more to do with the fact that BMW want to continue supplying Williams customer V8 engines for 2006. This is more of a supplier giving a customer demo of equipement to secure a future contract. Williams wanted to see what a BMW V8 engine can do for them before making up their minds for next year.
Here's hoping that this is the start of a revitalised Williams ... heck they need it. In the end the more road miles these new engines do simply means the more prepared they will be ... yes they have fancy dancy dyno's but nothing like the real world to shake out issues. Looking forward to hearing Ferrari is also testing their v8 on the TRACK ... otherwise I am preparing myself for another 21 years Pete
2 or 3 years ago BMW were #1 or #2 for F1 engines... Where are they now? Just a bit better than Cosworth? Can't wait to hear the V8 engines! Hope Ferrari will have a good one! Which one is louder...V10 engine right now or the old V12's back in the 90s? (I'v heard the V10 in real life but never the V12's.)
Has nothing to do with a future contract. it had to do with the current contract with Williams. In order for Williams to use BMW engines for the Season they have to test an developmental piece that BMW wants to test. If Williams says "No we will not test your V8 for 2006 with you switching factory level support next year" BMW has the right to refuse the use of the engines for the rest of the season. The way Williams have been performing after BMW announced that they are purchasing Sauber, they are lucky that BMW does not supply them with engines out of a 330 street car. BMW has Williams over the barrel on this one Sir Frank williams knows this. BMW has nothing to lose by pulling engines out from under the Williams Team. Williams would have to refund sponsors for not being able to race, put workers on leave and be forced to find a new engine supplier in very short order.
With this and the Cosworth at 21k on the bench, Ferrari are already having to playing catch up. I've also read that Ferrari have no real experience in designing race V8's on the F1 level and have been surprised at what they've found to date testing the prototypes in terms of dynamics. And beast, I don't think Frank would let himself be put over a barrel by anyone. He's been in F1 far too long for that.
Will the cars look much different? It seems a whole new powerplant with a different weight, at a minimum, would affect the car's aerodynamic package. Thoughts? Dane
Toyota also track with their V8. From Planet-F1: Panis: 'V8 engine is very different' Thursday July 14 2005 Olivier Panis tested Toyota's new 2.4-litre V8 engines on Wednesday for the first time, and afterwards expressed his dismay at the lack of power. As of 2006 Formula One will introduce 2.4-litre V8 engines, which the FIA hopes will go a long way towards reducing the speed of the cars. And according to Panis, it will. During Wednesday's testing Ralf Schumacher, who was using the current V10 spec engine, clocked a 1:17.631, while Panis using the V8 could only manage a fastest time of 1:22.447. "It is just so different," the Frenchman told Autosport. "You just expect more power to come after a while. First and second (gears) are okay but after that there is no more, it is so different." But despite the lack of pace, Toyota technical director Mike Gascoyne was satisfied with the V8 engine's first outing. "This is first time we have run the car in a test. We've not even shaken it down, and so far it is good," he said. "The vibration is a lot less than what we have expected. We had more vibration problems on the test bench than here and so far it is running without problem. "We will have a V8 car in every test from now and we will have to see how the progress is."
is slowly starting to fade thanks to Mosley's rules. 2.4 liter V-8s are a joke. How about 5.0 liter diesels or 4 cylinder 1.0 liter turbos? Watch MotoGP is you want to see real racing.... This is supposed to be automobile racing's premier class? Please.
As the owner of a Ferrari V8 I'm extremely thrilled to see them use V8 engines again. Even if they have nothing in common with what's behind my seat, I feel much more of a connection than I did with the V10 (no Viper interest here). To each his own I suppose.
The reason they choose 2.4L so they can use the current configuration of the V10 and apply it to the V8. The current V10 is 3.0L which means 0.3L per cylinder, so if you mulitply 0.3 by 8 it gives you 2.4L. So, in theory you can just remove 2 cylinders from your current V10 and have your V8 (in theory). This was done to reduce or maintain the current costs in F1 and reduce development and testing times. I assume if the FiA went to a 2.5L or 2.0L engine it would take the teams a lot of time and money to develop the engine. So they wouldn't haven been able to get it done for the 2006 season.
You are correct, I spoke to Scott Speed about this and basically its just they are removing two cylinders instead changing the cylinders themselves. He says really you won't see a huge drop in performance, at the most 100 hp. They will make quite a bit up by increasing the RPM.
I am not sure those are the specifics of the BMW and Williams "relationship". Where did you get that information? Just curious. Either way, it will be good to put an end to the BMW Williams nightmare. Both sides need a clean break to move on.
So you would rather we stopped any forward thinking on engine design and followed CART with overly large lazy engines ... heck in a few years time F1 could run pushrods as we have stopped trying to push the boundary. Over time it is CRITICAL that F1 engines reduce in size ... as we get cleverer and continue to produce more power per CC. If the engines do not get smaller the engine engineers have no new challengers and eventually (like CART) the FIA will introduce artificial power restrictions, like maximum revs or that horrors of horrors the engine has to be production car based. Thus by reducing the CC size, the FIA has said to the engineers ... come on you lazy bastards get thinking and surprise the world with what you can produce. AND they WILL, don't worry by the middle of the 2006 season I predict that the horsepower will be similar to the current 3ltr v10's ... and then we all can be even more amazed Man I look forward to these absolutely screaming technical mavels. Pete ps: It is NOT about just power, but power per CC!!!. That is where F1 rules and always will. Now I quite like your 1 litre turbo engine idea ... spitting flames, here we come again
Think this will Ferrari producing a V8 engine for the next generation 360/430 with the F1 cars going to V8s? I hope they go with a V10, but I am interested to see how it will effect the cars.
One thing people seem to forget is the technology in Formula 1 has led to a lot of the higher HP numbers that are comming out in everyday cars. Not only do we have higher HP in our daily drivers, but they use less fuel and produce less emissions. Go to an F1 race and you dont even get a trace of race fuel scent. Go to a NECKCAR race and you are choking on the fumes. The sound of a V10 at 18,000-19,000 is sweet music to my ears a V8 at 22,000-24,000 will be the most spectaclar sound on the planet.
Have you ever seen a pro level racing contract? They are very much complex and technical. Every single detail is documented to the finest scale. One thing that is very clearly detailed is the fact that a driver, team member, Etc. cannot make statements that will put that sponsor, supplier, promoter in a bad light. When was the last time you saw a driver or team manager say "That motor is a total POS it is not even qualified to be used as a paper weight.!!" Never happens even if the driver or team feels that way. Ever notice that in TV interview you see a member of the team there with a tape recorder? They are there to insure that the press will not take a statement by the driver and twisting it in another direction. That is the team covering there butts in case a driver does says something that might be detrimental to the Sponsors or suppliers. A good example of this is when MS has a slow middle of the race. Notice how he never says that that set of Bridgstones were junk. Instead it is more like "On the second stint our set up was not complimenting the tires. A few changes on the third stint made everything work much better for us." Notice how none of the teams bad mouthed Michelin at Indy??? Why contractual obligations. Simple it is much easy for BMW to break the contract with Williams than the other way around.
Yes. But you still have answered where you got that information about the BMW and Williams contract. I want to know where you got the info that Williams has to test the BMW V8 or they will not get their current supply of engines?
